[Politics] Brexit

[nicko31]

I think we are in a weak and vulnerable position and other countries are going to feast on that. We are not bargaining from a position of strength. She's on a hiding to nothing. I should feel sorry for her but I don't. I feel sorry for the less well off who are going to bear the brunt of the price inflation heading their way to add to their problems caused by austerity.[/QUOTE

Hard to disagree with this, whether the government are forced to show their hand for negotiations or not our position is not good

Its going to take a lot more public borrowing to prop up the economy during uncertain times. But Farage did say it not all about GDP growth, we will all be poorer but happier...

 

[pb21]

she can only mean ending single market membership.

So why doesn't she say it then, she seems to be saying an awful lot, but not that?!

She has stated the blindly obvious 'Brexit means Brexit' and 'we will invoke Article 50' etc. but this, why not?

 

[JC Footy Genius]

So why doesn't she say it then, she seems to be saying an awful lot, but not that?!

She has stated the blindly obvious 'Brexit means Brexit' and 'we will invoke Article 50' etc. but this, why not?

Perhaps she thinks this is also blindingly obvious as it was clearly stated by numerous main players from both sides in the campaign. Or was worried that stating it openly would further spook the markets.

 

[pb21]

Perhaps she thinks this is also blindingly obvious as it was clearly stated by numerous main players from both sides in the campaign. Or was worried that stating it openly would further spook the markets.

She has stated all the other blindingly obvious stuff though?

It was clear that voting to leave the EU would mean that Article 50 would have to be invoked, it doesn't get much more obvious than that, but she has still told us that she is going to do it!

Like I said, its what she isn't saying that is more interesting and telling.

Believing what a politician is saying is a dangerous game at the best of times, let alone believing what they aren't saying!

 

[JC Footy Genius]

I would be interested to know from the people who voted she doesn't know what she's doing would have expected to see her do after becoming PM that would have changed their opinion.

 

[JC Footy Genius]

She has stated all the other blindingly obvious stuff though?

It was clear that voting to leave the EU would mean that Article 50 would have to be invoked, it doesn't get much more obvious than that, but she has still told us that she is going to do it!

Like I said, its what she isn't saying that is more interesting and telling.

Believing what a politician is saying is a dangerous game at the best of times, let alone believing what they aren't saying!

I would hope any savvy politician is careful to keep as many options open as possible and give little away pre the most important negotiations in this countries history.

Agree believing politicians is problematic but she has far too much to lose if she reneged on her comments in that speech. See Boris,Davis,Fox, Tory implosion.

 

[Diego Napier]

Unlike Fawlty Towers, this one's set to run and run

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-37909299

 

[Baldseagull]

Yep, I'm quoting May saying that in April 2016, prior to Brexit, we have control of our borders; something she says she wants in September 2016, post Brexit.

Well in her mind we already have control, so on that basis nothing will necessarily change.

I think she is saying she wants control of immigration now, she was saying control of borders previously, which we do have control of, just not the power to refuse entry to EU citizens.
JC is correct in that it is highly unlikely the EU will allow that and to remain in the single market, but as we know, Parliament will have a say about this matter, and parliament may decide that freedom of movement is a price we may be willing to pay for continued free trade in the EU.
Not only is it going to be impossible to please the 48% who wanted to remain, it is going to be very difficult to please half of the 52% that wanted out.

 

[tinycowboy]

Not only is it going to be impossible to please the 48% who wanted to remain, it is going to be very difficult to please half of the 52% that wanted out.

Exactly. Whatever the outcome, most people in this country will be very disillusioned. If they manage to pull it off, they will be geniuses.

 

[Baldseagull]

I would be interested to know from the people who voted she doesn't know what she's doing would have expected to see her do after becoming PM that would have changed their opinion.

I am one such person, I believe appointing anyone other than Boris Johnson as Foreign Secretary, would have gone some way to softening my opinion.

 

[deletebeepbeepbeep]

May's judgement should also be called into question regarding her appointment of Liz "opening up pork market in Beijing" Truss who has no qualifications or gravitas for such a job


https://www.theguardian.com/politic...ronted-by-tory-mps-handling-of-article-50-row

 

[nicko31]

Unlike Fawlty Towers, this one's set to run and run

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-37909299

I don't fancy their chances with that one, but they are getting their EU Citizenship taken away from them

 

[beorhthelm]

Unlike Fawlty Towers, this one's set to run and run

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-37909299

Sturgeon is just using this to create an excuse for another referendum on independence. the Scots should also focus on fixing their own domestic problems rather than blaming everything on Westminster even when they've had devolved powers for years.

 

[Pretty pink fairy]

Wonder when this thread will get merged? JC, what is so upsetting to you about "free movement" seems to be a real bone of contention for you personally?

IF WE WANTED FREE MOVEMENT WE WOULD HAVE STAYED IN THE EU, THE VOTE WAS OUT SO MAKES SENSE TO END FREE MOVEMENT ............
regards
DR

 

[ManOfSussex]

Sturgeon is just using this to create an excuse for another referendum on independence. the Scots should also focus on fixing their own domestic problems rather than blaming everything on Westminster even when they've had devolved powers for years.

The Attorney General for Northern Ireland is intimating bowling another Brexit googly at the supreme court's way - http://www.belfasttelegraph.co.uk/n...uling-could-go-to-supreme-court-35198015.html

 

[smeg]

IF WE WANTED FREE MOVEMENT WE WOULD HAVE STAYED IN THE EU, THE VOTE WAS OUT SO MAKES SENSE TO END FREE MOVEMENT ............
regards
DR

HaHa, thanks for clearing that up.

 

[Pretty pink fairy]

HaHa, thanks for clearing that up.

its not rocket science ,SOME PEOPLE MAKE IT FAR TO DIFFICULT
regards
DR

 

[ManOfSussex]

IF WE WANTED FREE MOVEMENT WE WOULD HAVE STAYED IN THE EU, THE VOTE WAS OUT SO MAKES SENSE TO END FREE MOVEMENT ............
regards
DR

Just like Norway?

 

[Pretty pink fairy]

Just like Norway?

I DIDN'T MENTION NORWAY , WIND YOUR NECK IN
regards
DR

 

[Two Professors]

You thicko right-wing boot-boy thugs won't succeed in goading me.

Well,as a Lib-Dem voter,I'm almost offended by that.Keep on practicing,you might grow a personality,as well as a sense of humour,as you move towards adulthood!