TomandJerry
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We hope !
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[Politics] Brexit
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Paul Reids Sock
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As previously said I doubt that Turkey will get in for a while.
In addition a lot of the NHS issues have been cause by our own government haven't they? Lack of funding etc. is one of the main reason, yes there are more people but immigration is needed, so many that work in the NHS aren't British anyway so who is to say that the burden wouldn't be greater without immigration?
I also question how much better our own MPs would be with a total free reign
In addition a lot of the NHS issues have been cause by our own government haven't they? Lack of funding etc. is one of the main reason, yes there are more people but immigration is needed, so many that work in the NHS aren't British anyway so who is to say that the burden wouldn't be greater without immigration?
I also question how much better our own MPs would be with a total free reign
Hampster Gull
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Nothing in the future is certain so yes youre right. Its my view though.
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looney
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What a load of claptrap.
This bit is true
all of us have the duty to learn at least some economics and engage in economic debates.
But if people knew enough they wouldn't spout economics is not a science.
What you have posted is that Economics isn't ta science so you canrely more on people basing their judgements on ethics and politics which are totally unscientific?
Very often, the judgments by ordinary citizens may be better than those by professional economists.
This isn't true. The examples are so rare that they cann be named and reasons given for this misnomer.
The economy is too important to be left to professional economists
This shows you don't really know what economics is. Its not about Policy decisions but how to implement them, the politicians made the decisions..
gregbrighton
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Scaremongering from the Leave mongs...
It is worth noting that 5% of the population is Muslim. If turkey entered (which they won't) and another million came then this figure would move somewhere between 6% and 7%. I don't think you need a maths degree to realise that anyone who thinks we will soon be "majority Muslim" is barking up the wrong tree.
The big issues I have with leave are
1) unelected decision makers in EU = not democratic. Whereas our House of Lords?
2) we need to be like Australia and control immigration - Australia has higher immigration per head than us.
3) our public services can't cope - they do because in many cases they are being run by immigrants.
TomandJerry
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Please stop derailing the thread, thank you
Hampster Gull
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And my question to you is do we really need another referendum thread?
TomandJerry
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I wanted to gauge people's views without being lost within a 600+page thread
gregbrighton
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Exactly. It's not as though we don't have enough already!
Regardless of the sort of loaded and hysterical question the OP just asked, I think I'd like to see a second chance in maybe 10 years time. I'll be voting remain but the lack of EU democracy concerns me. If I felt the UK was more democratic than it is, I think I'd vote out.
TomandJerry
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Thank you for your answers, I will probably be voting remain
ManOfSussex
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Turkey will not join the EU in the next 10 years. We're not the only EU country concerned at the scenario of Turkey joining the EU. It wont happen for decades if ever. Sure, it's a candidate country but a long way off ever joining and Angela Merkel herself once said realistically the best it could ever expect was privileged partner status, rather than full membership.
If we were to leave The EU, we'll have no veto or say on whether Turkey or anyone else joins the EU in the future. We'd have no say on whether restrictions would apply in regards to free movement of future new EU members. If we leave the EU we'll still have free movement of EU citizens as we will be in The EEA to continue access to the single market.
TomandJerry
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Half Time Pies
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There is also the issue of the current dispute with Cyprus, can't see Turkey being allowed in all the time there is a territorial dispute with a current EU member state.
We really have no option but to engage Turkey as they are crucial in helping to limit the flow of non-syrian migrants flowing in through Europe, they are also strategically important and have a crucial role to play in the Syrian crisis itself. Lets not forget that as part of the coalition forces that invaded Iraq we are partly responsible for the mess in the middle east and the subsequent rise of ISIS.
We really have no option but to engage Turkey as they are crucial in helping to limit the flow of non-syrian migrants flowing in through Europe, they are also strategically important and have a crucial role to play in the Syrian crisis itself. Lets not forget that as part of the coalition forces that invaded Iraq we are partly responsible for the mess in the middle east and the subsequent rise of ISIS.
Why on earth are you trying to paint this as an EU issue when it is about a German court. If you read the whole story, what the court seems to be saying is that as the couple were legally married in their own country and there was no evidence of coercion, as unpalatable as it is to us, it is legal. It two 18 year olds got married in this country and traveled to a country (if there were one) where the legal age for marriage was 21 would you think it wrong if their marriage were not recognized? Furthermore, this is a regional court which has passed the decision to a higher court to consider.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-36509914
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-36433114
The above story is yet another dent in any attempt Turkey has at trying to join the EU.
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The girl is 14 years old she has married her 20 year old cousin. It has everything to do with the EU, because it highlights the vast gap in cultural differences because of religion that this migration brings. It is just completely wrong.
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Diego Napier
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One person one vote - fair but logical? Is the EU Referendum fatally flawed?
I realise that polling voters before a referendum is a rather inexact science but given the following:-
73% of 18-29 year olds want to stay
63% of over 60's want to leave
70% with degree level education want to stay
64% of people achieving an educational maximum of GCSE level want to leave
63% of Times readers want to stay
78% of Daily Mail readers want to leave
67% of employed people want to stay
73% of unemployed people want to leave,
aren't we in danger of hamstringing our future welfare and prosperity through the wishes of a lot of dim, unproductive, old people who won't be around for much longer?
I realise that polling voters before a referendum is a rather inexact science but given the following:-
73% of 18-29 year olds want to stay
63% of over 60's want to leave
70% with degree level education want to stay
64% of people achieving an educational maximum of GCSE level want to leave
63% of Times readers want to stay
78% of Daily Mail readers want to leave
67% of employed people want to stay
73% of unemployed people want to leave,
aren't we in danger of hamstringing our future welfare and prosperity through the wishes of a lot of dim, unproductive, old people who won't be around for much longer?