[Politics] Brexit

[5ways]

"First in print and then, more explicitly, in person he spelled out that America has no intention of forming some new, closer relationship with a Brexited Britain. On the contrary, a post-EU Britain would be at “the back of the queue” if it sought to agree its own, new trade treaty with the US.

America, he told his British audience – hence his use of “queue”, not “line” – likes the fact that Britain is already married: it works out really well for all three parties involved. His message was unambiguous. Don’t rush into a hasty divorce because you think we’re waiting for you with open arms. We’re not.

At a stroke, he had crushed not only a core part of the leavers’ economic argument – that it’ll be a breeze for Britain to exit the EU and trade just as prosperously as a solo nation – but something bigger: the notion that a brighter, non-European future beckons. Obama burst that bubble."

Boom. Crack. Will reality dawn on the soft Brexiters? http://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2016/apr/22/barack-obama-crush-brexit-fantasy-eu-referendum

 

[GoldWithFalmer]

"First in print and then, more explicitly, in person he spelled out that America has no intention of forming some new, closer relationship with a Brexited Britain. On the contrary, a post-EU Britain would be at “the back of the queue” if it sought to agree its own, new trade treaty with the US.

America, he told his British audience – hence his use of “queue”, not “line” – likes the fact that Britain is already married: it works out really well for all three parties involved. His message was unambiguous. Don’t rush into a hasty divorce because you think we’re waiting for you with open arms. We’re not.

At a stroke, he had crushed not only a core part of the leavers’ economic argument – that it’ll be a breeze for Britain to exit the EU and trade just as prosperously as a solo nation – but something bigger: the notion that a brighter, non-European future beckons. Obama burst that bubble."

Boom. Crack. Will reality dawn on the soft Brexiters? http://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2016/apr/22/barack-obama-crush-brexit-fantasy-eu-referendum

The Swiss bank account could be replaced by the English bank account.... we could be a safe haven for investment..

Once out of the EU.

 

[pb21]

Think Obama's words will be the straw that breaks the camels back when it comes to undecided voters IMO. Was expecting the result to be very close to either side but now think it's going to be 60+% to remain.

The last couple of weeks have just been the remain camp hitting sixes and the leave camp throwing their toys out of the pram. The leave lot will really have to pull something out of the bag now, can't see that happening though...

In terms of a football analogy I would say we're at half time and the remain team are winning 3-0.

 

[JC Footy Genius]

No surprise to see the Guardian and the remain camp amplifying and siding with yet another foreign power trying to scare the UK public at Cameron's behest. Obama won't even be around if and when Brexit finally happens so his views are irrelevant.

 

[Westdene Seagull]

"First in print and then, more explicitly, in person he spelled out that America has no intention of forming some new, closer relationship with a Brexited Britain. On the contrary, a post-EU Britain would be at “the back of the queue” if it sought to agree its own, new trade treaty with the US.

America, he told his British audience – hence his use of “queue”, not “line” – likes the fact that Britain is already married: it works out really well for all three parties involved. His message was unambiguous. Don’t rush into a hasty divorce because you think we’re waiting for you with open arms. We’re not.

At a stroke, he had crushed not only a core part of the leavers’ economic argument – that it’ll be a breeze for Britain to exit the EU and trade just as prosperously as a solo nation – but something bigger: the notion that a brighter, non-European future beckons. Obama burst that bubble."

Boom. Crack. Will reality dawn on the soft Brexiters? http://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2016/apr/22/barack-obama-crush-brexit-fantasy-eu-referendum

He said that for one single reason ( and I hate to burst your bubble but it wasn't anything to do with a benefit to the UK ) - TTIP !!!!!!!!!!

 

[GoldWithFalmer]

He said that for one single reason ( and I hate to burst your bubble but it wasn't anything to do with a benefit to the UK ) - TTIP !!!!!!!!!!

That's it then,leave the EU sign up to ttip and become the 51st State of America...makes sense

 

[Stoo82]

Britain has always stood up to bully's.

 

[Westdene Seagull]

That's it then,leave the EU sign up to ttip and become the 51st State of America...makes sense

Eh We can only sign up to TTIP if we STAY in the EU.

 

[GoldWithFalmer]

Eh We can only sign up to TTIP if we STAY in the EU.

Then all the more reason to leave?

 

[Two Professors]

Very nice sound bite from Obama,but getting back to the real world,would Wall Street allow him to throw away the $56 Billion of exports they send to us?I think not!
Oh,and as none of our economic experts on here (or greg) got back to me,the bookies current favourite to default is Italy,followed very closely by Portugal.And no,the European Central Bank's money is all committed to Greece,and the International Monetary Fund no longer wants any involvement in the Euro.

 

[GT49er]

At a stroke, he had crushed not only a core part of the leavers’ economic argument – that it’ll be a breeze for Britain to exit the EU and trade just as prosperously as a solo nation – but something bigger: the notion that a brighter, non-European future beckons. Obama burst that bubble."

No he didn't. He made an unlikely threat to help out his best buddy Dave. He won't be president after Brexit anyway.

 

[Two Professors]

I see Hilary Clinton has said only trade deals which benefit the USA and its workers will be negogiated under her administration.I don't think she would put a trade deal of $56 billion,with a US surplus of just over $6 billion per annum to "the back of the queue".I doubt she will ask Obama's advice on trade after the horrific mess he made of the Pacific deal

 

[drew]

Eh We can only sign up to TTIP if we STAY in the EU.

Does it not occur to you that any agreement out of the eu with the US will be on the same lines as TTIP ?

 

[Westdene Seagull]

Does it not occur to you that any agreement out of the eu with the US will be on the same lines as TTIP ?

The key word being 'agreement' - a two way thing.

 

[5ways]

Very amusing that you slam Obama. Okay then - what about...Modi in India? Nah another anti-British shill for remain. Oh okay - let's try....Australia, nope they want us to remain. New Zealand? Also remain. Hmmm...who in the great commonwealth can we turn to next - Zuma, have any thoughts? Any stiring comments for us, Sri Lanka? What about you Jamaica? Any thoughts on throwing of the shackles of repression? Actually I think they might - but it's probably not what Brexiters want to hear.

 

[Herr Tubthumper]

"First in print and then, more explicitly, in person he spelled out that America has no intention of forming some new, closer relationship with a Brexited Britain. On the contrary, a post-EU Britain would be at “the back of the queue” if it sought to agree its own, new trade treaty with the US.

America, he told his British audience – hence his use of “queue”, not “line” – likes the fact that Britain is already married: it works out really well for all three parties involved. His message was unambiguous. Don’t rush into a hasty divorce because you think we’re waiting for you with open arms. We’re not.

At a stroke, he had crushed not only a core part of the leavers’ economic argument – that it’ll be a breeze for Britain to exit the EU and trade just as prosperously as a solo nation – but something bigger: the notion that a brighter, non-European future beckons. Obama burst that bubble."

Boom. Crack. Will reality dawn on the soft Brexiters? http://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2016/apr/22/barack-obama-crush-brexit-fantasy-eu-referendum

Quite.

In addition, what is becoming quite apparent now, is that there is a steady stream of key people across the UK, Europe and the world, wanting to state support for our continued membership. Irrespective of whether you agree with, or trust, their views the out camp simply do not have any remotely similar happening with their campaign. I wonder why?

 

[GoldWithFalmer]

Very amusing that you slam Obama. Okay then - what about...Modi in India? Nah another anti-British shill for remain. Oh okay - let's try....Australia, nope they want us to remain. New Zealand? Also remain. Hmmm...who in the great commonwealth can we turn to next - Zuma, have any thoughts? Any stiring comments for us, Sri Lanka? What about you Jamaica? Any thoughts on throwing of the shackles of repression? Actually I think they might - but it's probably not what Brexiters want to hear.

One could ask why they want us to stay? What could possibly be in it for them if we stay in the EU? otherwise why would they care?

 

[skipper734]

Trade agreements are a irrelevant. Pick something up, anything, go on I bet it's got Made in China written on it. Has the EU got a trade agreement with China?

 

[GoldWithFalmer]

Trade agreements are a irrelevant. Pick something up, anything, go on I bet it's got Made in China written on it. Has the EU got a trade agreement with China?

Really? well i suppose we are in the out camp after all we can always strike deals after any EU exit....life will go on and we will have our country back in our own hands again.

 

[5ways]

One could ask why they want us to stay? What could possibly be in it for them if we stay in the EU? otherwise why would they care?

That's a good question to ask. Perhaps they want their friend and ally to be powerful and influential? Perhaps they want it to be able to amplify its voice on the world stage and be a central player. Rather than a has-been. Perhaps they don't want another Brexit-induced European recession slamming their tourism and other industries? There are a few reasons.