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[Politics] Brexit
- Thread starter KingstonSeagull
- Start date
- Jan 18, 2009
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Good old public subsidies eh, if only we could get back into the EU with the “mutha” of all public subsidies………..the common agricultural policy (CAP). The largest component in the EU budget of billions and a process where EU consumers pay tax to landowners. You say no problem with that position, just the “lies”? so, how the environmental damage caused by the CAP.
'The Common Agricultural Policy is an aberration with regard to the climate and environmental impact of agriculture'
OP-ED. The CAP is counterproductive to the environmental policy that the European Commission is carrying out, denounces Hannes Lorenzen, president of the Agricultural and Rural Convention 2020.
www.lemonde.fr
Or the fraud.
Fraud, corruption, and misuse of EU agricultural funds a major problem in CEE, say MEPs
The EU needs to introduce tougher controls on the distribution of agricultural funds to stamp out corruption and ensure that CEE's small farmers get their fair share.
emerging-europe.com
what about the deserving recipients……in the U.K. just before Brexit the biggest recipients were the Saudis as a consequence of the amount of land they used for horse racing and breeding.
We're all paying for Europe's gift to our aristocrats and utility companies | George Monbiot
George Monbiot: Dukes, water companies and wildlife charities will be relieved to know their plunder of farm subsidies under the common agricultural policy can last until at least 2020
www.theguardian.com
Best of all though, the CAP really f@cked developing countries.
Yep, public subsidies and its lies……..what a racket to be part of.
Good old public subsidies eh, if only we could get back into the EU with the “mutha” of all public subsidies………..the common agricultural policy (CAP). The largest component in the EU budget of billions and a process where EU consumers pay tax to landowners. You say no problem with that position, just the “lies”? so, how the environmental damage caused by the CAP.
'The Common Agricultural Policy is an aberration with regard to the climate and environmental impact of agriculture'
OP-ED. The CAP is counterproductive to the environmental policy that the European Commission is carrying out, denounces Hannes Lorenzen, president of the Agricultural and Rural Convention 2020.
Or the fraud.
Fraud, corruption, and misuse of EU agricultural funds a major problem in CEE, say MEPs
The EU needs to introduce tougher controls on the distribution of agricultural funds to stamp out corruption and ensure that CEE's small farmers get their fair share.
what about the deserving recipients……in the U.K. just before Brexit the biggest recipients were the Saudis as a consequence of the amount of land they used for horse racing and breeding.
We're all paying for Europe's gift to our aristocrats and utility companies | George Monbiot
George Monbiot: Dukes, water companies and wildlife charities will be relieved to know their plunder of farm subsidies under the common agricultural policy can last until at least 2020
Best of all though, the CAP really f@cked developing countries.
Yep, public subsidies and its lies……..what a racket to be part of.
As an owner of a parcel of land in the West Country the subsidy was quite useful. It allowed us to make the place safe for school children and archaeologists to visit the stone circles and burial site on the land.
That’s had to be stopped now we’ve left the EU as I can no longer guarantee the safety of visitors.
Still, sovereignty eh!
Curious Orange
Punxsatawney Phil
Worth it for having complete control of our borders and immigration policy though, eh?
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- Jul 10, 2003
- 27,772
And life is so much better out of it for 'the working man', even without a single benefit, inflation, recession, exports dying, staffing issues across the NHS, Care industry, hospitality and many other sectors
And today's Brexit F*** up as yet more industries that actually employ 'working men' struggle and go to the wall
Food trade bodies consider legal action over post-Brexit ‘not for EU’ labelling
Food industry trade bodies are discussing whether to take legal action against the government over post-Brexit plans that will require all meat and dairy products sold in the UK to be labelled as “not for EU”. Food producers say the labelling could add £250m a year to their costs, further fuelling inflation, and they are discussing a legal challenge as a viable option if a solution with the government is not found.https://www.theguardian.com/busines...ider-legal-action-brexit-not-for-eu-labelling
I do find it amusing while most Brexiteers have put this thread on ignore and are pretending it didn't happen and it wasn't them, the last dregs keep bouncing it in case we've forgotten how naive they were. Even now, after everything has become blindingly clear, they still don't believe that Boris and Nige stitched them up
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Randy McNob
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- Jun 13, 2020
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So protecting your markets, your industries, your jobs and wealth is a racket? So basically every country in the world has its own 'racket' because it imposes import duties to protect its own industries? Yeah down with that idea. But there is a difference in this example because your money is being spent to subsidise companies where before it didnt have to, it was the benefit of membershipGood old public subsidies eh, if only we could get back into the EU with the “mutha” of all public subsidies………..the common agricultural policy (CAP). The largest component in the EU budget of billions and a process where EU consumers pay tax to landowners. You say no problem with that position, just the “lies”? so, how the environmental damage caused by the CAP.
'The Common Agricultural Policy is an aberration with regard to the climate and environmental impact of agriculture'
OP-ED. The CAP is counterproductive to the environmental policy that the European Commission is carrying out, denounces Hannes Lorenzen, president of the Agricultural and Rural Convention 2020.
Or the fraud.
Fraud, corruption, and misuse of EU agricultural funds a major problem in CEE, say MEPs
The EU needs to introduce tougher controls on the distribution of agricultural funds to stamp out corruption and ensure that CEE's small farmers get their fair share.
what about the deserving recipients……in the U.K. just before Brexit the biggest recipients were the Saudis as a consequence of the amount of land they used for horse racing and breeding.
We're all paying for Europe's gift to our aristocrats and utility companies | George Monbiot
George Monbiot: Dukes, water companies and wildlife charities will be relieved to know their plunder of farm subsidies under the common agricultural policy can last until at least 2020
Best of all though, the CAP really f@cked developing countries.
Yep, public subsidies and its lies……..what a racket to be part of.
Randy McNob
> > > > > > Cardiff > > > > >
- Jun 13, 2020
- 4,724
- Jul 10, 2003
- 27,772
VAT threshold for UK businesses limited by EU rules, Hunt admits privately
Hunt told multiple MPs ahead of the budget that £90,000 was the highest he could raise the threshold because of the Northern Ireland protocol agreed with the EU.Hunt has privately told colleagues that, because of the protocol, raising the threshold above £90,000 would only be possible in Great Britain, creating a different VAT regime for Northern Ireland. A Treasury source said the chancellor did not want there to be different VAT rules in Great Britain and Northern Ireland.
https://www.msn.com/en-gb/money/oth...1&cvid=8e94df8947d241f584014edb05c69fa2&ei=21
Almost as if they are lurching from one short term fix for a Brexit disaster to the next with no plan whatsoever. If only someone had thought through the implications, but 'taking back control' eh ?
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- Jul 10, 2003
- 27,772
And those benefits keep rolling in because it's too late to turn away from the current idiocy to join the world's largest Customs Union which is on our doorstep, isn't it 
Hidden within its 168-page report following the Budget, the fiscal watchdog noted that its long-term assumptions about the negative impact of Brexit on the UK economy appear to be "broadly on track". That is, a 15 per cent drop in trade intensity and a 4 per cent decline in potential productivity compared to if Britain had remained in the European Union.
https://www.standard.co.uk/comment/brexit-economy-office-for-budget-responsibility-b1145397.html
The trade deal, which was signed in December 2021, was the first FTA agreed by the government after Brexit, and was heralded by Boris Johnson and Liz Truss. At the time, British farmers expressed concerns that they would be undercut by lower quality imported meat. Since then, Australian farmers have exported 1,700 tonnes of beef to the UK, according to the Department of Business and Trade.
https://www.msn.com/en-gb/money/oth...n&cvid=f56acce617154f3c94583652a4a88503&ei=97
Still, onwards and downwards, it's not as if the British economy needs a boost
All models are wrong (except the Office for Budget Responsibility's Brexit forecasts)
"All models," the British statistician George Box observed, "are wrong, but some are useful." To which we now turn to the Office for Budget Responsibility, whose Brexit forecasts seem to be holding up remarkably well.Hidden within its 168-page report following the Budget, the fiscal watchdog noted that its long-term assumptions about the negative impact of Brexit on the UK economy appear to be "broadly on track". That is, a 15 per cent drop in trade intensity and a 4 per cent decline in potential productivity compared to if Britain had remained in the European Union.
https://www.standard.co.uk/comment/brexit-economy-office-for-budget-responsibility-b1145397.html
Brexit: no British beef exported to Australia under UK’s first post-EU trade deal due to red tape
No British beef has been exported to Australia under the UK’s first post-Brexit free-trade agreement (FTA) as there is too much red tape, NationalWorld can reveal. Earlier this month, an exporter of beef jerky had its shipment blocked by Australian border controls as the UK government had not requested access. It is thought this is the first time a British business had tried to export beef to Australia under the FTA, which came into effect in May last year.The trade deal, which was signed in December 2021, was the first FTA agreed by the government after Brexit, and was heralded by Boris Johnson and Liz Truss. At the time, British farmers expressed concerns that they would be undercut by lower quality imported meat. Since then, Australian farmers have exported 1,700 tonnes of beef to the UK, according to the Department of Business and Trade.
https://www.msn.com/en-gb/money/oth...n&cvid=f56acce617154f3c94583652a4a88503&ei=97
Still, onwards and downwards, it's not as if the British economy needs a boost
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Weststander
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- Jul 10, 2003
- 27,772
And today's update on Britain's self induced death by a thousand cuts.
These benefits are rolling in daily, as Britain becomes a toxic dumping ground and the British people pay more for their wines in the latest addition to the run away cost of living (somewhat appropriately as those who voted for it have now all run away)
The government insisted on a separate regulatory system for chemicals. At first sight, it’s senseless: chemical regulation is extremely complicated and expensive. Why replicate an EU system that costs many millions of euros and employs a small army of scientists and administrators? Well, now we know. A separate system allows the UK to become a dumping ground for the chemicals that Europe rules unsafe.
https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2024/mar/18/britain-toxic-chemical-dump-brexit-europe
‘Complex' post-Brexit tax rules means price rises for UK wine drinkers
Wine Society describes planned alcohol duty changes as ‘ludicrous, expensive and probably unworkable’
British consumers have been told that the price of some of their favourite red wines could increase by more than 40p next year after the government ignored pleas from the wine industry to abandon complex post-Brexit tax changes. The chief executive of Majestic Wine, John Colley, said the new alcohol duty system, which comes into effect in February 2025, would increase the number of tax bands for wine from one to 30, and cost businesses huge sums of money to administer.
https://www.theguardian.com/business/2024/mar/17/complex-post-brexit-tax-rules-means-price-rises-for-wine-drinkers-in-britain#:~:text=The tax on a bottle,to rise from next February.
Exactly as predicted, who could have known ?
Johnson, Farage and co have been found out. Shirley there has to come a point somewhere, where we stop punching ourselves in the face
These benefits are rolling in daily, as Britain becomes a toxic dumping ground and the British people pay more for their wines in the latest addition to the run away cost of living (somewhat appropriately as those who voted for it have now all run away)
Britain is becoming a toxic chemical dumping ground – yet another benefit of Brexit
It’s a benefit of Brexit – but only if you’re a manufacturer or distributor of toxic chemicals.The government insisted on a separate regulatory system for chemicals. At first sight, it’s senseless: chemical regulation is extremely complicated and expensive. Why replicate an EU system that costs many millions of euros and employs a small army of scientists and administrators? Well, now we know. A separate system allows the UK to become a dumping ground for the chemicals that Europe rules unsafe.
https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2024/mar/18/britain-toxic-chemical-dump-brexit-europe
‘Complex' post-Brexit tax rules means price rises for UK wine drinkers
Wine Society describes planned alcohol duty changes as ‘ludicrous, expensive and probably unworkable’
British consumers have been told that the price of some of their favourite red wines could increase by more than 40p next year after the government ignored pleas from the wine industry to abandon complex post-Brexit tax changes. The chief executive of Majestic Wine, John Colley, said the new alcohol duty system, which comes into effect in February 2025, would increase the number of tax bands for wine from one to 30, and cost businesses huge sums of money to administer.
https://www.theguardian.com/business/2024/mar/17/complex-post-brexit-tax-rules-means-price-rises-for-wine-drinkers-in-britain#:~:text=The tax on a bottle,to rise from next February.
Exactly as predicted, who could have known ?
Johnson, Farage and co have been found out. Shirley there has to come a point somewhere, where we stop punching ourselves in the face
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I knew that the Irish border issue (with the Irelands wanting an open border between one another, and the EU (and indeed the UK) requiring a hard border between it and non-EU, quite separate, nations) was unresolvable. The Irish border issue is unresolvable. The hard border has to be between Ulster and Eire, or between Ulster and mainland Britain. Or we have to make a special arrangement of the sort that is anathema to hard brexiteers. Unresolvable, than. But...And those benefits keep rolling in because it's too late to turn away from the current idiocy to join the world's largest Customs Union which is on our doorstep, isn't it
All models are wrong (except the Office for Budget Responsibility's Brexit forecasts)
"All models," the British statistician George Box observed, "are wrong, but some are useful." To which we now turn to the Office for Budget Responsibility, whose Brexit forecasts seem to be holding up remarkably well.
Hidden within its 168-page report following the Budget, the fiscal watchdog noted that its long-term assumptions about the negative impact of Brexit on the UK economy appear to be "broadly on track". That is, a 15 per cent drop in trade intensity and a 4 per cent decline in potential productivity compared to if Britain had remained in the European Union.
https://www.standard.co.uk/comment/brexit-economy-office-for-budget-responsibility-b1145397.html
Brexit: no British beef exported to Australia under UK’s first post-EU trade deal due to red tape
No British beef has been exported to Australia under the UK’s first post-Brexit free-trade agreement (FTA) as there is too much red tape, NationalWorld can reveal. Earlier this month, an exporter of beef jerky had its shipment blocked by Australian border controls as the UK government had not requested access. It is thought this is the first time a British business had tried to export beef to Australia under the FTA, which came into effect in May last year.
The trade deal, which was signed in December 2021, was the first FTA agreed by the government after Brexit, and was heralded by Boris Johnson and Liz Truss. At the time, British farmers expressed concerns that they would be undercut by lower quality imported meat. Since then, Australian farmers have exported 1,700 tonnes of beef to the UK, according to the Department of Business and Trade.
https://www.msn.com/en-gb/money/oth...n&cvid=f56acce617154f3c94583652a4a88503&ei=97
Still, onwards and downwards, it's not as if the British economy needs a boost
But we were promised a Brexit bonus - an ability to make our own deals with the rest of the world. And now we find that we do not have the skills to overcome the red tape that is part of global trade.
Only an absolute cretin would see this as all lovely. Brexit with no plan and no deals. No idea Brexit. What a mess.
nicko31
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Its the gift that keeps on giving...
nicko31
Well-known member
If we run into problems dumping waste there's always the SEZ's, there you can dump anything you likeAnd today's update on Britain's self induced death by a thousand cuts.
These benefits are rolling in daily, as Britain becomes a toxic dumping ground and the British people pay more for their wines in the latest addition to the run away cost of living (somewhat appropriately as those who voted for it have now all run away)
Britain is becoming a toxic chemical dumping ground – yet another benefit of Brexit
It’s a benefit of Brexit – but only if you’re a manufacturer or distributor of toxic chemicals.
The government insisted on a separate regulatory system for chemicals. At first sight, it’s senseless: chemical regulation is extremely complicated and expensive. Why replicate an EU system that costs many millions of euros and employs a small army of scientists and administrators? Well, now we know. A separate system allows the UK to become a dumping ground for the chemicals that Europe rules unsafe.
https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2024/mar/18/britain-toxic-chemical-dump-brexit-europe
‘Complex' post-Brexit tax rules means price rises for UK wine drinkers
Wine Society describes planned alcohol duty changes as ‘ludicrous, expensive and probably unworkable’
British consumers have been told that the price of some of their favourite red wines could increase by more than 40p next year after the government ignored pleas from the wine industry to abandon complex post-Brexit tax changes. The chief executive of Majestic Wine, John Colley, said the new alcohol duty system, which comes into effect in February 2025, would increase the number of tax bands for wine from one to 30, and cost businesses huge sums of money to administer.
https://www.theguardian.com/business/2024/mar/17/complex-post-brexit-tax-rules-means-price-rises-for-wine-drinkers-in-britain#:~:text=The tax on a bottle,to rise from next February.
Exactly as predicted, who could have known ?
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Johnson, Farage and co have been found out. Shirley there has to come a point somewhere, where we stop punching ourselves in the face
Randy McNob
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- Jun 13, 2020
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is that the Glastonbury headliner ?
- Jul 10, 2003
- 27,772
We have now spent nearly 8 years constantly destroying investment, our economy, our infrastructure, British businesses, the NHS, the Care Industry, Hospitality etc, widening the gap between rich and poor, and making it even more of a struggle for the poorest in society with body blow after body blow. And it's only going to get worse as we eventually implement the border controls (JRM's 'act of financial self harm') and other aspects that we have delayed and kicked into the long grass, adding still more to the cost of living as businesses continue to go to the wall.
And all as a result of a few racists, even fewer disaster capitalists and other financially well backed chancers and huge numbers of naive people being taken in by Johnson, Farage and co and told to do something stupid
How many more years and we going to continue to punch ourselves in the face on a daily basis, destroying the fabric and infrastructure of our once great country before someone says 'enough'
And all as a result of a few racists, even fewer disaster capitalists and other financially well backed chancers and huge numbers of naive people being taken in by Johnson, Farage and co and told to do something stupid
How many more years and we going to continue to punch ourselves in the face on a daily basis, destroying the fabric and infrastructure of our once great country before someone says 'enough'
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Mellor 3 Ward 4
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Ask KierWe have now spent nearly 8 years constantly destroying investment, our economy, our infrastructure, British businesses, the NHS, the Care Industry, Hospitality etc, widening the gap between rich and poor, and making it even more of a struggle for the poorest in society with body blow after body blow. And it's only going to get worse as we eventually implement the border controls (JRM's 'act of financial self harm') and other aspects that we have delayed and kicked into the long grass, adding still more to the cost of living as businesses continue to go to the wall.
And all as a result of a few racists, even fewer disaster capitalists and other financially well backed chancers and huge numbers of naive people being taken in by Johnson, Farage and co and told to do something stupid
How many more years and we going to continue to punch ourselves in the face on a daily basis, destroying the fabric and infrastructure of our once great country before someone says 'enough'
He has the chance to reverse this.
Many more. Many.We have now spent nearly 8 years constantly destroying investment, our economy, our infrastructure, British businesses, the NHS, the Care Industry, Hospitality etc, widening the gap between rich and poor, and making it even more of a struggle for the poorest in society with body blow after body blow. And it's only going to get worse as we eventually implement the border controls (JRM's 'act of financial self harm') and other aspects that we have delayed and kicked into the long grass, adding still more to the cost of living as businesses continue to go to the wall.
And all as a result of a few racists, even fewer disaster capitalists and other financially well backed chancers and huge numbers of naive people being taken in by Johnson, Farage and co and told to do something stupid
How many more years and we going to continue to punch ourselves in the face on a daily basis, destroying the fabric and infrastructure of our once great country before someone says 'enough'
The nanosecond we get a majority labour government the shite wing will be all over it like a rash, mocking Starmer for not making everything better immediately, holding up whatever they can find that may have got worse as proof that Labour Isn't Working (even if the data are from before the general election - why let facts get in the way of a strong narrative?)..
And the usual sorts will lap it up.
If that isn't continuation of self-face-punching I don't know what is.