[Politics] Brexit

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Huh?

 

[The Clamp]

To address something raised on another thread -- that Brexit was of the left and right -- I want to make a point clear.
Brexit was, is and remains a project of the right. It was propelled on the whole by insular nationalism, within a world of global supply chains where most economies trade across the globe in complex networks, but the vast majority do the vast majority of their trade with their near neighbours. It was always a bad idea for this very reason, and we're having an extended demonstration of this point, and we'll have to endure that for some time yet too.
Yes, there was a left position on Brexit, which has often gone under the name of Lexit. Yet that was very much a minority position, in large part driven by the Trot left who were of the view that the EU was/is a neoliberal project. There were one or two other more sensible left commentators -- Larry Elliott springs to mind -- that advocated Brexit but, beyond that, can't think of too many others.
So, yes a small % of the Brexit vote was from the left, but there's no equivalence here, as it was clearly a right project.
And Brexit is just one latest reason to re-consider whether you're of the right or left. There are plenty more out there too.

It wasn’t a right or left project.

It was a project of profiteers, corporations and tax dodgers.

It was sold to the right because they are thicker, more nationalistic, and more gullible.

 

[Simster]

It wasn’t a right or left project.

It was a project of profiteers, corporations and tax dodgers.

It was sold to the right because they are thicker, more nationalistic, and more gullible.

You're wrong in part. The red wall are traditional Labour voters. This project was sold to them.

When I say sold, I mean of.course in the same way a snake oil salesman sells his wears.

 

[Sid and the Sharknados]

FFS why are some people so desperate to crowbar this Caicedo/Cowill swap deal fantasy into every frikin conversation?

Do you think we'd be more likely to get this deal over the line if we were still in the EU?

 

[ConfusedGloryHunter]

Do you think we'd be more likely to get this deal over the line if we were still in the EU?

I avoid this silly thread like the plague - why would you quote me on it from a different thread? This is cruel!

 

[Sid and the Sharknados]

I avoid this silly thread like the plague - why would you quote me on it from a different thread? This is cruel!

So do I, but it happened to be near the top of the first page on the Big Board when that joke occurred to me.
That this is my only contribution to it appeals to me greatly.

 

[Machiavelli]

It wasn’t a right or left project.

It was a project of profiteers, corporations and tax dodgers.

It was sold to the right because they are thicker, more nationalistic, and more gullible.

I rarely use this term, but those two statements are in direct contradiction to one another, which ought to be self-evident, but you can have a go at explaining why it isn't the case.
Edit: not entirely sure the second statement is even correct.

 

[The Clamp]

I rarely use this term, but those two statements are in direct contradiction to one another, which ought to be self-evident, but you can have a go at explaining why it isn't the case.
Edit: not entirely sure the second statement is even correct.

I think it’s self explanatory. I’m not sure where your confusion lies?

 

[Hugo Rune]

To address something raised on another thread -- that Brexit was of the left and right -- I want to make a point clear.
Brexit was, is and remains a project of the right. It was propelled on the whole by insular nationalism, within a world of global supply chains where most economies trade across the globe in complex networks, but the vast majority do the vast majority of their trade with their near neighbours. It was always a bad idea for this very reason, and we're having an extended demonstration of this point, and we'll have to endure that for some time yet too.
Yes, there was a left position on Brexit, which has often gone under the name of Lexit. Yet that was very much a minority position, in large part driven by the Trot left who were of the view that the EU was/is a neoliberal project. There were one or two other more sensible left commentators -- Larry Elliott springs to mind -- that advocated Brexit but, beyond that, can't think of too many others.
So, yes a small % of the Brexit vote was from the left, but there's no equivalence here, as it was clearly a right project.
And Brexit is just one latest reason to re-consider whether you're of the right or left. There are plenty more out there too.

Come on, you can do better than that. There was sizeable pro-Brexit support from the Unions including this bunch of confused sods:

Mick Cash, General Secretary of the RMT, Mick Whelan, General Secretary of ASLEF, Ronnie Draper, General Secretary of the BFAWU and Doug Nicholls, Chair of TUAEU.

Read more about them here:

Union leaders argue Brexit is the only option in the interests of workers

Mick Cash is the General Secretary of the RMT, Mick Whelan is the General Secretary of ASLEF, Ronnie Draper is the General Secretary of the BFAWU and Doug Nicholls is the Chair of TUAEU

www.mirror.co.uk

 

[Machiavelli]

Come on, you can do better than that. There was sizeable pro-Brexit support from the Unions including this bunch of confused sods:

Mick Cash, General Secretary of the RMT, Mick Whelan, General Secretary of ASLEF, Ronnie Draper, General Secretary of the BFAWU and Doug Nicholls, Chair of TUAEU.

Read more about them here:

Union leaders argue Brexit is the only option in the interests of workers

Mick Cash is the General Secretary of the RMT, Mick Whelan is the General Secretary of ASLEF, Ronnie Draper is the General Secretary of the BFAWU and Doug Nicholls is the Chair of TUAEU

www.mirror.co.uk

They'd fall under the Trot banner for me. They've probably even got pictures of him on their office walls. It's also worth adding that that's a pretty small % of union leaders.

 

[Machiavelli]

I think it’s self explanatory. I’m not sure where your confusion lies?

Profiteers and tax dodgers are self-evidently of the right, which celebrates inequality and hierarchy (although the most widely accepted -- and wrong -- definition is that they favour a small state, but those two would also fall under that banner).
Many corporations, perhaps most, or at the least their higher echelons are also of the right. But most corporations and businesses were anti-Brexit -- which is why I questioned the veracity of you including them in your list. Of course, some corporations -- hedge funds, for instance -- advocated for Brexit, but there I was of the impression that most big businesses, the CBI, and most other big businesses came out in favour of remaining in the EU.
So, I'm not confused on this at all.

 

[Wokeworrier]

The vast majority of the Tory establishment in 2016 were pro remain which is hardly surprising as their big business backers loved an endless supply of cheap Labour and a nice centralised lobbying hub in Brussels.

In other news you will never read on this thread, unlike Brexit Britain.... Germany is in recession, the Eurozone is in recession and food prices in the UK are far cheaper than the EU on average ... not all bad then.

 

[birthofanorange]

The vast majority of the Tory establishment in 2016 were pro remain which is hardly surprising as their big business backers loved an endless supply of cheap Labour and a nice centralised lobbying hub in Brussels.

In other news you will never read on this thread, unlike Brexit Britain.... Germany is in recession, the Eurozone is in recession and food prices in the UK are far cheaper than the EU on average ... not all bad then.

Yep, you're a ****, especially after your last post.

 

[Wokeworrier]

Yep, you're a ****, especially after your last post.

Have you been drinking?

 

[birthofanorange]

Have you been drinking?

No, I've been incredibly sad, recently. You?

 

[Harry Wilson's tackle]

Come on, you can do better than that. There was sizeable pro-Brexit support from the Unions including this bunch of confused sods:

Mick Cash, General Secretary of the RMT, Mick Whelan, General Secretary of ASLEF, Ronnie Draper, General Secretary of the BFAWU and Doug Nicholls, Chair of TUAEU.

Read more about them here:

Union leaders argue Brexit is the only option in the interests of workers

Mick Cash is the General Secretary of the RMT, Mick Whelan is the General Secretary of ASLEF, Ronnie Draper is the General Secretary of the BFAWU and Doug Nicholls is the Chair of TUAEU

www.mirror.co.uk

They are left, certainly.

But SWP, rather than Labour on the whole.

And in Labour, no more relevant today than One Nation is to the tories.....

 

[Lever]

Whatever the terminally blinkered Brexiters say...... I think this is your answer.....

 

[Lever]

A bit of a laugh.....

 

[Eric the meek]

Today, I read a distressing article on the BBC:

Diego Garcia: The tropical island ‘hell’ for dozens of stranded migrants

They set sail to flee persecution, they say - but ended up on an isolated island in the Indian Ocean.

www.bbc.co.uk

It's a long read, so here is an executive summary:

In October 2021, a boatload of Tamils set sail from Sri Lanka, to escape persecution and claim asylum in Canada. They ran into trouble and fetched up in Diego Garcia, a UK/US base in the Indian ocean. They are still there, but have tried to claim asylum in Britain. Stories of suicide attempts and sexual assault followed.

Three are currently in Rwanda receiving medical treatment after being evacuated from the island following self-harm and suicide attempts.

There are many concerns about this story, not least the fact that this has only just come to light.

 

[Thunder Bolt]

Today, I read a distressing article on the BBC:

Diego Garcia: The tropical island ‘hell’ for dozens of stranded migrants

They set sail to flee persecution, they say - but ended up on an isolated island in the Indian Ocean.

www.bbc.co.uk

It's a long read, so here is an executive summary:

In October 2021, a boatload of Tamils set sail from Sri Lanka, to escape persecution and claim asylum in Canada. They ran into trouble and fetched up in Diego Garcia, a UK/US base in the Indian ocean. They are still there, but have tried to claim asylum in Britain. Stories of suicide attempts and sexual assault followed.

Three are currently in Rwanda receiving medical treatment after being evacuated from the island following self-harm and suicide attempts.

There are many concerns about this story, not least the fact that this has only just come to light.

Oh yes, Diego Garcia, where Britain and the US decided they would take over somebody else’s home. Just like that!
How any Brit can moan about immigrants is beyond me!

Most Chagossians now live in Mauritius and the United Kingdom after being forcibly removed by the British government in the late 1960s and early 1970s so that Diego Garcia, the island where most Chagossians lived, could serve as the location for a United States military base.