[Politics] Brexit

[The Clamp]

We have returned to the depressing Britain of Adrian Mole, Giles cartoons, and Thatcher’s “f*** the poor” politics.

All we need is a reboot of Bread and Savile back at the Beeb and the regression is complete.

 

[WATFORD zero]

We have returned to the depressing Britain of Adrian Mole, Giles cartoons, and Thatcher’s “f*** the poor” politics.

All we need is a reboot of Bread and Savile back at the Beeb and the regression is complete.

But there again, we haven't seen the cabal's election manifesto yet

 

[A1X]

 

[Lever]

I have no doubt that in the future that generation will hold Brexit opinion formers and their immoveable acolytes to account.

 

[Randy McNob]

 

[Lever]

Brexit cowards disappearing from public life before being held to account in the General Election

 

[WATFORD zero]

Do you think all those anti-immigration campaigners who voted for Brexit and Johnson's Brexit cabal are wondering what happened.

Rishi Sunak faces Tory backlash as net migration reaches record high​

Rishi Sunak has been accused of abandoning control of UK borders and faces a backlash from Conservative MPs after net migration and the backlog of asylum claims reached record highs, it emerged on Thursday.

The prime minister was forced to concede that the numbers should come down after figures from the Office for National Statistics showed that overall migration into the UK for 2022 was 606,000, which represents a 24% increase on the previous high of 488,000 last year.

https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2023/may/25/uk-net-migration-record-high-despite-tory-promises-cut-arrivals#:~:text=Rishi Sunak has been accused,highs, it emerged on Thursday.

Imagine if they hadn't known what they were voting for

 

[dsr-burnley]

Do you think all those anti-immigration campaigners who voted for Brexit and Johnson's Brexit cabal are wondering what happened.

Rishi Sunak faces Tory backlash as net migration reaches record high​

Rishi Sunak has been accused of abandoning control of UK borders and faces a backlash from Conservative MPs after net migration and the backlog of asylum claims reached record highs, it emerged on Thursday.

The prime minister was forced to concede that the numbers should come down after figures from the Office for National Statistics showed that overall migration into the UK for 2022 was 606,000, which represents a 24% increase on the previous high of 488,000 last year.

https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2023/may/25/uk-net-migration-record-high-despite-tory-promises-cut-arrivals#:~:text=Rishi Sunak has been accused,highs, it emerged on Thursday.

Imagine if they hadn't known what they were voting for

I suppose this is one of the EU benefits that seems to be still with us. Mass immigration to drive down wages and keep prices lower. Si it's not all bad news!

There was never any compulsion to restrict immigration from the EU or anywhere else. Emigration might be restricted subject to EU policy, but immigration is entirely at the discretion of our own politicians and subject to their own competence.

 

[A1X]

Do you think all those anti-immigration campaigners who voted for Brexit and Johnson's Brexit cabal are wondering what happened.

Rishi Sunak faces Tory backlash as net migration reaches record high​

Rishi Sunak has been accused of abandoning control of UK borders and faces a backlash from Conservative MPs after net migration and the backlog of asylum claims reached record highs, it emerged on Thursday.

The prime minister was forced to concede that the numbers should come down after figures from the Office for National Statistics showed that overall migration into the UK for 2022 was 606,000, which represents a 24% increase on the previous high of 488,000 last year.

https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2023/may/25/uk-net-migration-record-high-despite-tory-promises-cut-arrivals#:~:text=Rishi Sunak has been accused,highs, it emerged on Thursday.

Imagine if they hadn't known what they were voting for

Yeah but that was Boris, this is Rishi. They probably regard him as one of them, and he stabbed their great hero Boris (who would be personally patrolling the channel on the new Royal Yacht with a megaphone going "No room, go home!" and they'd all turn around because he's such a titan of our times.

 

[WATFORD zero]

I suppose this is one of the EU benefits that seems to be still with us. Mass immigration to drive down wages and keep prices lower. Si it's not all bad news!

There was never any compulsion to restrict immigration from the EU or anywhere else. Emigration might be restricted subject to EU policy, but immigration is entirely at the discretion of our own politicians and subject to their own competence.

Are you saying we always had control over immigration and sovereignty when in the EU but not in Schengen ? Are you sure you've got this right

Just a shame that we elected that same bunch of lying incompetents who sold us Brexit when they said they could implement it. You would think that maybe people would learn from their mistakes wouldn't you

 

[dsr-burnley]

Are you saying we always had control over immigration and sovereignty when in the EU but not in Schengen ? Are you sure you've got this right

Just a shame that we elected that same bunch of lying incompetents who sold us Brexit when they said they could implement it. You would think that maybe people would learn from their mistakes wouldn't you

No, what I am saying is that a lot of people have been panning Brexit in part because immigration had fallen. Now they can be pleased.

The problem I have with Labour is that they want the same sort of policies that has lead us into this position now. Higher taxes, anti-competitive regulation, more spending. They don't want to compete with the EU, they want to be in it, and if they can't be in it they will just sit down and cry about it. "Make the best of things" is not a modern motto.

Starmer shows his true colours with his idea of making it compulsory for employers to work from home. I presume he only means office workers - he gives no evidence of being aware there is any other sort - because I doubt the man who fitted my new boiler, for example, could have done a good job from home. But it's all one with the mass immigration that he and you favour - its purpose is to drive down the wages of the manual labourer and poorer paid worker to give a more comfortable life to the better off.

 

[WATFORD zero]

No, what I am saying is that a lot of people have been panning Brexit in part because immigration had fallen. Now they can be pleased.

The problem I have with Labour is that they want the same sort of policies that has lead us into this position now. Higher taxes, anti-competitive regulation, more spending. They don't want to compete with the EU, they want to be in it, and if they can't be in it they will just sit down and cry about it. "Make the best of things" is not a modern motto.

Starmer shows his true colours with his idea of making it compulsory for employers to work from home. I presume he only means office workers - he gives no evidence of being aware there is any other sort - because I doubt the man who fitted my new boiler, for example, could have done a good job from home. But it's all one with the mass immigration that he and you favour - its purpose is to drive down the wages of the manual labourer and poorer paid worker to give a more comfortable life to the better off.

I think you'll find the reason Brexit is 'being panned' is because it has been a totally predicted complete and utter clusterf*** to the British economy, infrastructure, Industries and Services

You back the Leave campaign fronted up by Johnson, Farage, JRM and co and then seem surprised and complain about manual and poorer paid workers being f***ed over. Further to that, you now believe that given what you've done, the way forward is to 'compete' with the largest trading bloc in the world ? I hope your mates in Burnley are pleased with what you've done and agree with that.

I'm sorry, but even I wouldn't know where to start to explain

And WTF is that 'working from home' twaddle ? I would guess that given Starmer's parents were a toolmaker and a nurse, he understands fully that not everybody can work from home

 

[The Clamp]

Sunak is going to really panic when he finds out who the Prime Minister is.

 

[chickens]

Sunak is the only grown-up left. Hardly blameless given he was chancellor through the reign of Johnson, but nevertheless comparatively pragmatic.

The problem he’s got is not the general public, it’s the Conservative Party membership who are walking around their local Conservative Clubs with their underpants on their heads muttering “isn’t it a shame about poor old Boris, let’s see if we can’t get him back in.”

There are a hard core of Johnson loyalist MPs doing the Conservative equivalent of Wolfie Smith, Priti Patel being one, who are actively fanning this feeling among the party membership, and they are trying to grow that into a Johnson comeback bid.

Wiser heads who realise that for a swing voter to ever vote for them again they need to dial down the nonsense and are fighting to regain control of the Conservative Party, but it’s far from clear to me who will win, the damage runs deep.

It’s clear that Rishi isn’t allowed to ditch Suella, however much he wants to, because she’s one of the last of that rump of absolute ideological lunatics who still hold a ministerial position. She’s obviously one of the conditions that’s been imposed on Rishi for him to be PM. It’s fascinating soap opera, if only they weren’t supposed to be running the country.

 

[The Clamp]

Sunak is the only grown-up left. Hardly blameless given he was chancellor through the reign of Johnson, but nevertheless comparatively pragmatic.

The problem he’s got is not the general public, it’s the Conservative Party membership who are walking around their local Conservative Clubs with their underpants on their heads muttering “isn’t it a shame about poor old Boris, let’s see if we can’t get him back in.”

There are a hard core of Johnson loyalist MPs doing the Conservative equivalent of Wolfie Smith, Priti Patel being one, who are actively fanning this feeling among the party membership, and they are trying to grow that into a Johnson comeback bid.

Wiser heads who realise that for a swing voter to ever vote for them again they need to dial down the nonsense and are fighting to regain control of the Conservative Party, but it’s far from clear to me who will win, the damage runs deep.

It’s clear that Rishi isn’t allowed to ditch Suella, however much he wants to, because she’s one of the last of that rump of absolute ideological lunatics who still hold a ministerial position. She’s obviously one of the conditions that’s been imposed on Rishi for him to be PM. It’s fascinating soap opera, if only they weren’t supposed to be running the country.

Have you seen Sunak being interviewed lately?
I’d describe him as many things.
A “grown up” would not be one of them.

100 % agree with the rest of your post.

 

[chickens]

Have you seen Sunak being interviewed lately?
I’d describe him as many things.
A “grown up” would not be one of them.

100 % agree with the rest of your post.

He’s the best the Conservative Party have, by some margin. If they want to move back toward the centre, he’s their only hope at present. I doubt he can save them at the next election, the right of the party won’t give him enough freedom, but he can ensure there’s something to save. If they want to return to Johnson and “Full Farage” then I fear for them electorally over the longer term. Farage’s party never polled highly in General Elections.

There are plenty among the Conservative core vote who have retreated from the Johnson/Truss incarnation of the party. If a proportion of their core vote has fallen away, that doesn’t bode well for their chances with swing voters.

Anyway, Brexit got done, eh? What a success that’s been. Can’t wait for the new import controls to be implemented. Given the success we’ve seen with the rest of Brexit, I’m sure they’re going to be fabulous and incredibly popular.

 

[ManOfSussex]

Do you think all those anti-immigration campaigners who voted for Brexit and Johnson's Brexit cabal are wondering what happened.

Rishi Sunak faces Tory backlash as net migration reaches record high​

Rishi Sunak has been accused of abandoning control of UK borders and faces a backlash from Conservative MPs after net migration and the backlog of asylum claims reached record highs, it emerged on Thursday.

The prime minister was forced to concede that the numbers should come down after figures from the Office for National Statistics showed that overall migration into the UK for 2022 was 606,000, which represents a 24% increase on the previous high of 488,000 last year.

https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2023/may/25/uk-net-migration-record-high-despite-tory-promises-cut-arrivals#:~:text=Rishi Sunak has been accused,highs, it emerged on Thursday.

Imagine if they hadn't known what they were voting for

If only we could go back to how things used to be in the good old days when we were in The EU and didn't have record levels of net migration like now.........

 

[Machiavelli]

Hmmm. I've just seen Farage being interviewed on today's C4 News for the first time in years. Just a few days after saying that Brexit isn't working. He's confined himself to his meedja career in the nether reaches since, what is it, about 2019. What happened in 2019 that's about a year away?

 

[chickens]

Hmmm. I've just seen Farage being interviewed on today's C4 News for the first time in years. Just a few days after saying that Brexit isn't working. He's confined himself to his meedja career in the nether reaches since, what is it, about 2019. What happened in 2019 that's about a year away?

I have no dislike or hatred for those who voted for Brexit. They genuinely believe(d) they were making the right choice for Britain, however misguided it may seem to those who voted the other way.

However, I like to think there’s a special circle of hell reserved for the type of politician who appeals to the worst part of us, gives those feelings a veneer of reasonableness, offers no viable alternative to the status quo, but persuades people to vote for a concept based on fear/mistrust of others. They are the true Project Fear.

We are a nation with a high proportion of jobs in the service sector, we are also a nation with a low birth rate and an aging population.

We need immigration to enable our businesses to thrive, and we need access to our largest trading partner (the EU bloc) because that’s who we’re geographically adjacent to, nothing is going to change that.

The alternative, as I’ve written elsewhere, is a high tax economy with huge incentives for those choosing to become parents to raise the birth rate, a world class education system to educate those with aptitude (we need skilled workers too) and a highly efficient healthcare system to ensure that those children and their parents are fit and able to work. Anyone promising the end of immigration and a low tax economy is telling you lies.

I feel genuine pity for anyone who has fallen under Farage’s spell, and the best thing that could happen to British politics is for him to crawl back under the rock he slid out from.

 

[Lever]

More Brexit disadvantage.....