[Politics] Brexit

[Lever]

What... no thumbs up?

Is this a New Year Resolution?

A better one might be to look at the facts revealed in this video and other updates..... and then reflect... but that may prove to be a bit too hard......

 

[Guinness Boy]

Thanks for proving my point .. 'Six years ago we had lots of doomsday predictions (eg an imminent Brexit recession) ... it's taken a global pandemic and war in Europe before the radicalised pro EU disciples could begin to claim any of them are vaguely accurate.' ... your post clearly draws a direct causal link for all those problems with leaving the EU.

Meanwhile, Countries still enjoying the 'protection of the EU', in the single market operating under EU regulations have seen 'raging inflation' (actually higher than ours on average) ..

Inflation Rate - Countries - List | Europe

This page displays a table with actual values, consensus figures, forecasts, statistics and historical data charts for - Inflation Rate. This page provides values for Inflation Rate reported in several countries part of Europe. The table has current values for Inflation Rate, previous releases...

tradingeconomics.com

... widespread recession ...

Eurozone facing recession at the end of the year, Brussels says

High prices are here to stay, with the European Union predicting inflation will remain throughout 2023. #EuropeNews

www.euronews.com

.... significant labour shortages...

Labour shortages felt all over Europe

www.euractiv.com

I wonder why that is ..

Have a hat

Well there’s the “r” word again.

Six years ago we hadn’t left. We finally got Boris’s “oven ready” deal over the line in Jan 2020.

As for inflation I’d be expecting the new, free UK to be LEADING the table, but we seem to be way behind near neighbours Ireland, France and Spain. When we were in, we were compared to those countries and Germany. Not Croatia and Hungary

 

[Herr Tubthumper]

Thanks for proving my point .. 'Six years ago we had lots of doomsday predictions (eg an imminent Brexit recession) ... it's taken a global pandemic and war in Europe before the radicalised pro EU disciples could begin to claim any of them are vaguely accurate.' ... your post clearly draws a direct causal link for all those problems with leaving the EU.

Meanwhile, Countries still enjoying the 'protection of the EU', in the single market operating under EU regulations have seen 'raging inflation' (actually higher than ours on average) ..

Inflation Rate - Countries - List | Europe

This page displays a table with actual values, consensus figures, forecasts, statistics and historical data charts for - Inflation Rate. This page provides values for Inflation Rate reported in several countries part of Europe. The table has current values for Inflation Rate, previous releases...

tradingeconomics.com

... widespread recession ...

Eurozone facing recession at the end of the year, Brussels says

High prices are here to stay, with the European Union predicting inflation will remain throughout 2023. #EuropeNews

www.euronews.com

.... significant labour shortages...

Labour shortages felt all over Europe

www.euractiv.com

I wonder why that is ..

Have a hat

You have presented a table which shows the U.K. in 20th place when it comes to lowest inflation, ie there are 19 counties with a lower rate than the UK, as evidence of raging inflation in the EU? Am I misunderstanding this?

 

[Lever]

Surprising but welcome thumbs up Mr/Ms wokeworrier/bringer of truth... thank you. I am sure your Brexit soulmate appreciates it too

Now if you could just look carefully at the video and reflect....

Update..... s/he clearly does!

 

[rogersix]

quality comeback

still two clingons; maybe a sweepstake on when they realise it's a busted flush?

 

[WATFORD zero]

Thanks for proving my point .. 'Six years ago we had lots of doomsday predictions (eg an imminent Brexit recession) ... it's taken a global pandemic and war in Europe before the radicalised pro EU disciples could begin to claim any of them are vaguely accurate.' ... your post clearly draws a direct causal link for all those problems with leaving the EU.

Meanwhile, Countries still enjoying the 'protection of the EU', in the single market operating under EU regulations have seen 'raging inflation' (actually higher than ours on average) ..

Inflation Rate - Countries - List | Europe

This page displays a table with actual values, consensus figures, forecasts, statistics and historical data charts for - Inflation Rate. This page provides values for Inflation Rate reported in several countries part of Europe. The table has current values for Inflation Rate, previous releases...

tradingeconomics.com

... widespread recession ...

Eurozone facing recession at the end of the year, Brussels says

High prices are here to stay, with the European Union predicting inflation will remain throughout 2023. #EuropeNews

www.euronews.com

.... significant labour shortages...

Labour shortages felt all over Europe

www.euractiv.com

I wonder why that is ..

Have a hat

Directly attributable to Brexit

Office for budget responsibility
£100B reduction in economy
Institute for Fiscal Studies
Brexit had been a major “own goal” for the economy.
Economically speaking, that has been very bad news indeed and continues to be bad news.
BOE
Brexit significant factor in high levels of inflation
Chambers of Commerce
56% of trading firms still having issues importing or exporting
Resolution Foundation
Wages £470 lower per person per year
8 per cent slump in the UK’s “trade openness” – trade as a share of economic output
Centre for Economic performance
6% increase in Food prices
£5.8B increase in supermarket costs
Centre for European Reform
£33B in lost trade
£40B Tax loss
5.5% drop in GDP

And, as stated in the previous post that you quoted

Maybe, instead of just repeating the 'It's not all because of Brexit' mantra, you could actually highlight some of the benefits of Brexit that you have have now been claiming for 6 years, rather than continuing to indulge in the same radicalised pro Brexit whataboutism.

Now you're back in tandem with the other member of the Brexit Brains Trust, listing the benefits should be an absolute piece of cake

 

[Is it PotG?]

'Because you cannot move forward or grow the country or deliver change or win back the trust of those who have lost faith in politics if you’re constantly focused on the arguments of the past.

‘We cannot afford to look back over our shoulder because all the time we are doing that we are missing what is ahead of us.’

Sir Fencealot's words, not mine.

 

[southstandandy]

Directly attributable to Brexit

Office for budget responsibility
£100B reduction in economy
Institute for Fiscal Studies
Brexit had been a major “own goal” for the economy.
Economically speaking, that has been very bad news indeed and continues to be bad news.
BOE
Brexit significant factor in high levels of inflation
Chambers of Commerce
56% of trading firms still having issues importing or exporting
Resolution Foundation
Wages £470 lower per person per year
8 per cent slump in the UK’s “trade openness” – trade as a share of economic output
Centre for Economic performance
6% increase in Food prices
£5.8B increase in supermarket costs
Centre for European Reform
£33B in lost trade
£40B Tax loss
5.5% drop in GDP

And, as stated in the previous post that you quoted

Maybe, instead of just repeating the 'It's not all because of Brexit' mantra, you could actually highlight some of the benefits of Brexit that you have have now been claiming for 6 years, rather than continuing to indulge in the same radicalised pro Brexit whataboutism.

Now you're back in tandem with the other member of the Brexit Brains Trust, highlighting the benefits should be an absolute piece of cake

But I'm sure one positive will eventually appear in the next 10 years or so. Here's hoping.

 

[WATFORD zero]

But I'm sure one positive will eventually appear in the next 10 years or so. Here's hoping.

Well I'm sure that now @Is it PotG? and @Wokeworrier are back together on the case, the list of benefits will be imminent

 

[Simster]

It's a shame this thread is back on this board.

The only way to do anything about Brexit is to vote for a party that has the balls to stand up for the majority of people and categorically state that Brexit has been a disaster, which it clearly has according to every sane economic think tank and most economic figures.

Personally, the food for thought has come from those who campaigned for Brexit because of the competition from cheap foreign labour at the expense of Britain's most vulnerable. So when we eventually go back in (and I think we will some day) I want there to be something in place that protects the lowest paid in our own work force. I'll tell you what doesn't make me think - @Wokeworrier 's discredited links and all round gobshittery or @Is it PotG? 's banal likes and uninformative/irrelevant YouTube videos.

 

[Is it PotG?]

The only way to do anything about Brexit is to vote for a party that has the balls to stand up for the majority of people and categorically state that Brexit has been a disaster, which it clearly has according to every sane economic think tank and most economic figures.

Which party is that?

 

[WATFORD zero]

It's a shame this thread is back on this board.

The only way to do anything about Brexit is to vote for a party that has the balls to stand up for the majority of people and categorically state that Brexit has been a disaster, which it clearly has according to every sane economic think tank and most economic figures.

Personally, the food for thought has come from those who campaigned for Brexit because of the competition from cheap foreign labour at the expense of Britain's most vulnerable. So when we eventually go back in (and I think we will some day) I want there to be something in place that protects the lowest paid in our own work force. I'll tell you what doesn't make me think - @Wokeworrier 's discredited links and all round gobshittery or @Is it PotG? 's banal likes and uninformative/irrelevant YouTube videos.

You are right. Shortly after the night of the Bear Pit long knives a number of threads were put back on the main board and discussed reasonably.

Indeed, this thread had a couple of months of reasonable discussions around what each party would do about the Elephant in the room and the various problems arising from the half baked situation we've been left in, but it's just gone back to exactly the same childish shit that got it put in the Bear pit in the first place.

I really can't imagine why

 

[Is it PotG?]

Indeed, this thread had a couple of months of reasonable discussions around what each party would do about the Elephant in the room and the various problems arising from the half baked situation we've been left in, but it's just gone back to exactly the same childish shit that got it put in the Bear pit in the first place.

I really can't imagine why

Try, please try.

To elucidate upon tedious rhetoric must be so satisfying.

 

[WATFORD zero]

Try, please try

Well possibly because you are a pathetic childish little Troll

 

[Is it PotG?]

Well possibly because you are a pathetic childish little Troll

HNY to you and your family mate.

 

[Lever]

Well possibly because you are a pathetic childish little Troll

I wonder if that will earn you a thumbs up as well as a HNY.....

 

[chickens]

I would hope that regardless of political stripe it’s now clear to see that the Conservative Party’s brand of Brexit has not helped our position, however unforeseen Covid and Russia/Ukraine were.

A return to a customs union with the EU does seem called for, and would undo the most catastrophic elements of our current predicament. Rishi is held hostage by the ERG, Starmer is held back by fear of providing ammo to the opposition, the Lib Dem’s are held back by nobody believing a bloody word of what they say.

Who will deliver us from the world’s stupidest exit deal that holds us at arms length from our largest and nearest trading partners?

 

[Harry Wilson's tackle]

I would hope that regardless of political stripe it’s now clear to see that the Conservative Party’s brand of Brexit has not helped our position, however unforeseen Covid and Russia/Ukraine were.

A return to a customs union with the EU does seem called for, and would undo the most catastrophic elements of our current predicament. Rishi is held hostage by the ERG, Starmer is held back by fear of providing ammo to the opposition, the Lib Dem’s are held back by nobody believing a bloody word of what they say.

Who will deliver us from the world’s stupidest exit deal that holds us at arms length from our largest and nearest trading partners?

Labour may decide to do the right thing once they're in. Pointless saying so now, or all of the charlatans, jackasses and 'patriots' will be leaping about, spouting their drivel once again, and votes will be lost.

I said may. It is too early yet to tell whether Starmer has a vision and some bottle, and has not been brainwashed by all the claptrap.

 

[Simster]

Labour may decide to do the right thing once they're in. Pointless saying so now, or all of the charlatans, jackasses and 'patriots' will be leaping about, spouting their drivel once again, and votes will be lost.

I said may. It is too early yet to tell whether Starmer has a vision and some bottle, and has not been brainwashed by all the claptrap.

His career suggests a fine mind and a talented orator. As such, I'll wait to see what he says nearer election day. It's kind of why I can't be arsed with this thread. It's all so pointless until the eve of the next election. All we know until then is that the Tories have wrecked the country (and the union) and only those blinded by ignorance fail to see it.

 

[nicko31]

I would hope that regardless of political stripe it’s now clear to see that the Conservative Party’s brand of Brexit has not helped our position, however unforeseen Covid and Russia/Ukraine were.

A return to a customs union with the EU does seem called for, and would undo the most catastrophic elements of our current predicament. Rishi is held hostage by the ERG, Starmer is held back by fear of providing ammo to the opposition, the Lib Dem’s are held back by nobody believing a bloody word of what they say.

Who will deliver us from the world’s stupidest exit deal that holds us at arms length from our largest and nearest trading partners?

Dunno, but first priority is get the Tories out, first step damage limitation. We're in a bad place