[Politics] Brexit

[portslade seagull]

A great ambassador for the remainers. Maybe it is one of the old guard on this thread on the spoof

 

[pastafarian]

If you vote out you are a racist/homophobe/transphobe/sexist.

Probably in that order in terms of severity.

another nutter who has run out of his meds

ask gregbrighton ,he stopped taking his, probably has some spare for you

 

[Westdene Seagull]

If you vote out you are a racist/homophobe/transphobe/sexist.

Probably in that order in terms of severity.

It is true though, you ask anyone who votes out if they support mass immigration from poor countries and they almost always say no. They are nasty people, there is so much room in the north of england for refugees and what not. Yet even people here seem to discriminate against them.....

Well they obviously couldn't afford houses here... Plus because they are all so lazy and uneducated down there, the incoming people would have no trouble finding work there.

It is true though. My friend is a diversity officer from Preston which is in the North, and she said to me the North is crying out for more migrants, they have totally enriched the communities they live in. The North and refugees/migrants go together like hand and glove. The people who live there are usually racist though thats the only down side.

I think it would, because obviously there are many soft benefits to an influx on new cultures. Lets face it those brutes down there need culture exposure too.

Besides, we could basically help millions of people and not have to deal with the potential problems that would arise if the vast majority coming in were located in the North. It would help London based businesses too because the incoming people would work cheaper and on more flexible contracts and that money would obviously flow south.

Are you some kind of racist or something? Why are you posting stuff like that? How ignorant...

OK, good fishing trip .... well done. Now who's second account are you ? A certain porn loving mods is my guess.

 

[Bladders]

It is true though. My friend is a diversity officer from Preston which is in the North, and she said to me the North is crying out for more migrants, they have totally enriched the communities they live in. The North and refugees/migrants go together like hand and glove. The people who live there are usually racist though thats the only down side.

Top whooooshing !

 

[Westdene Seagull]

Just found this exit video .... brilliant !!!! And it was posted on my Facebook page by my cousin who worked for the EU for 5 years as an interpreter. During that time she was bullied so badly that she became anorexic and the managerial line did nothing. Nice bunch the EU !

https://www.facebook.com/leaveeuofficial/videos/946139178817657/

 

[Webbo]

For what it is worth I am voting in. Not because I agree with that smarmy toff Cameron though. I want ever closer union, and our so called autonomy and self determination and sovereignty is an eternity of Gove and the like.

I am also not keen on Nationalism in any form, but I do want to celebrate cultural identities around and about the place.

I am a tiny minority in my stance.

 

[beorhthelm]

...I want ever closer union, and our so called autonomy and self determination and sovereignty is an eternity of Gove and the like.

you understand that politicians you don't like politically or personally will exist in Europe too, right?

 

[Herr Tubthumper]

you understand that politicians you don't like politically or personally will exist in Europe too, right?

None are as bad as Gove though.

 

[Westdene Seagull]

For what it is worth I am voting in. Not because I agree with that smarmy toff Cameron though. I want ever closer union, and our so called autonomy and self determination and sovereignty is an eternity of Gove and the like.

I am also not keen on Nationalism in any form, but I do want to celebrate cultural identities around and about the place.

I am a tiny minority in my stance.

I'm assuming you never support England ( or what ever the national team is for your country ) in a football competition nor GB in the Olympics then ?

 

[Soulman]

I'm assuming you never support England ( or what ever the national team is for your country ) in a football competition nor GB in the Olympics then ?

Puzzles me that many want to live here and there are those born and brought up here that seem embarrassed to support this country. Perhaps a swop is best after all.

 

[Lincoln Imp]

Puzzles me that many want to live here and there are those born and brought up here that seem embarrassed to support this country. Perhaps a swop is best after all.

Did he say he was embarrassed to support his country? He simply said he wasn't keen on nationalism.

The two can co-exist surely?

Here's a story that might not interest you very much. Like most lower league (ask me again after Saturday) football club supporters I have a strong sense of place. I love my Sussex and Lincolnshire heritage and I will always be very pleased to be an Englishman. Twenty years ago I went to Wembley for the Euros. We smashed Holland. Brilliant performance. Afterwards, I quietly said to myself I would never go to an England match again, and I haven't. We were next to the Dutch supporters and the nasty, shouty, aggressive antics of great swathes of the England fans around me - family blokes with children many of them - during the Dutch national anthem was just horrible to see. Perhaps things have changed now but it marked me.

I'm not anti-English and I doubt the poster you are responding to is either. The world is a better place because it has an England in it but England is one of many countries that are good in places and not so good in others. In the last referendum it was made very clear - oh yes it was - that belonging to 'Europe' would mean all of us sharing some of our sovereignty with each other. I was happy to do that then and I still am. I know you disagree, and that's all right too. Don't be puzzled.

 

[Two Professors]

I'm sorry to hear you had a bad experience at an England game-fans are much better behaved now,you should try again.My worst football experiences by far were at games in Europe.Anderlecht was far worse in terms of violent intimidation,and the Hannover derby (Arminia v 69) was the biggest riot I have ever seen.Didn't stop me watching sport-try again

 

[Soulman]

Did he say he was embarrassed to support his country? He simply said he wasn't keen on nationalism.

The two can co-exist surely?

Here's a story that might not interest you very much. Like most lower league (ask me again after Saturday) football club supporters I have a strong sense of place. I love my Sussex and Lincolnshire heritage and I will always be very pleased to be an Englishman. Twenty years ago I went to Wembley for the Euros. We smashed Holland. Brilliant performance. Afterwards, I quietly said to myself I would never go to an England match again, and I haven't. We were next to the Dutch supporters and the nasty, shouty, aggressive antics of great swathes of the England fans around me - family blokes with children many of them - during the Dutch national anthem was just horrible to see. Perhaps things have changed now but it marked me.

I'm not anti-English and I doubt the poster you are responding to is either. The world is a better place because it has an England in it but England is one of many countries that are good in places and not so good in others. In the last referendum it was made very clear - oh yes it was - that belonging to 'Europe' would mean all of us sharing some of our sovereignty with each other. I was happy to do that then and I still am. I know you disagree, and that's all right too. Don't be puzzled.

So because you came across some "nasty" types at one game many years ago you have not been since. Fair enough I daresay they are all as bad.

 

[Webbo]

you understand that politicians you don't like politically or personally will exist in Europe too, right?

Well yeah. So I would have remote Euro politicians just like remote British ones I suppose.

From my point of view the political class simply makes a rotation of much of the same most of the time. It is interesting to see how Corbyn and Bernie Saunders are being received by the establishment organs.

By rotation and my sense of helpless alienation, allow me to give one example.

Jeremy Hunt is something like fourth cousin to the Queen, no worries because of degrees of seperation I am probably the fourth cousin to everybody here.

However.

A previous Conservative Health Secretary (in power when my son was born) was one Virginia Bottomley. Bottomley was MP for South West Surrey (her husband Conservative MP for Eltham). Bottomley is now upstairs in the Lords and I believe she does some work for private health companies especially BUPA.

Virginia Bottomleys first cousin is Jeremy Hunt.

Jeremy Hunt is MP for South West Surrey
He is a Conservative.
He is Health Secretary.

Do you see where I might stand when comparing European Politicians and UK ones?

Equally alienated if you like.

It may be that in my strange logic I would prefer one 'alien' group (Euro Politicians) to another alien group (the UK political establishment), and have one group of remote rulers rather than two.

 

[Lincoln Imp]

So because you came across some "nasty" types at one game many years ago you have not been since. Fair enough I daresay they are all as bad.

You just can't resist it can you!

 

[JC Footy Genius]

Here's a story ....

Considering the rise of nationalism and extreme political movements across Europe it could be argued sharing sovereignty has reached it's limits and the EU with it's ongoing drive for ever closer union is a main reason for their advances.

If the UK votes to remain in, net inward immigration will continue apace and probably increase causing further tensions. Tensions and concerns remember when we are relatively prosperous with high employment rates, have you thought of what happens when the next inevitable recession comes around?

As none of the main parties will address this issue I wonder where the 50% of the electorate who view this as their main concern will turn in the years to come.

 

[Webbo]

Considering the rise of nationalism and extreme political movements across Europe it could be argued sharing sovereignty has reached it's limits and the EU with it's ongoing drive for ever closer union is a main reason for their advances.

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I find this a really interesting point. That the existence of the EU has led to a rise of extremism and nationalism.
Perhaps the manifestation of ever closer union ought to be ever closer collaboration. My worry is about the dangers inherent in ways people might find to identify nations. In my lifetime I remember a national front canvasser knocking on my door 35 odd years ago and declaring 'we say Britain for the British', I said, 'it depends on how you define British', he said 'well racially of course'.
That kind of element of nationalism worries me.

 

[pb21]

That the existence of the EU has led to a rise of extremism and nationalism.

Has it? I say that in the sense whilst there may be some correlation between the two that doesn't necessarily equate to causation.

At the same time we don't know that the existence of the EU has resulted in less extremism and nationalism than would otherwise have occurred.

 

[JC Footy Genius]

I find this a really interesting point. That the existence of the EU has led to a rise of extremism and nationalism.
Perhaps the manifestation of ever closer union ought to be ever closer collaboration. My worry is about the dangers inherent in ways people might find to identify nations. In my lifetime I remember a national front canvasser knocking on my door 35 odd years ago and declaring 'we say Britain for the British', I said, 'it depends on how you define British', he said 'well racially of course'.
That kind of element of nationalism worries me.

The bit I find interesting is the head in the sand mentality that refuses to see the current problems as worth worrying about or any acknowledgement of the likely increasing tensions in the future . Whatever the answer is I doubt it is more EU, less nation states, more dilution of national identity, more mass immigration.

I expect British jobs, services, housing for the British will become quite a successful campaign slogan in the future, how British is defined will depend on how long the main parties ignore the electorates concerns.

 

[sparkie]

I find this a really interesting point. That the existence of the EU has led to a rise of extremism and nationalism.
Perhaps the manifestation of ever closer union ought to be ever closer collaboration. My worry is about the dangers inherent in ways people might find to identify nations. In my lifetime I remember a national front canvasser knocking on my door 35 odd years ago and declaring 'we say Britain for the British', I said, 'it depends on how you define British', he said 'well racially of course'.
That kind of element of nationalism worries me.

It's the fascist in the kremlin who is funding and encouraging separatists and nationalists across Europe. Divide and rule, pick on the separate weak parts, get rid of the pesky sanctions.