[Politics] Brexit

[Biscuit Barrel]

I reckon Greece would be up for swopping and having slightly less national debt. Do I win?

No. Unlike Greece we have a way of keeping up repayments on our debt.

The problem with Greece is not the level of their debt, just the fact that Germany is having to repay it.

 

[wellquickwoody]

Business shrugs off Brexit to create 100,000 new jobs

More than 100,000 people found jobs between May and August as businesses shrugged off Brexit fears and continued hiring in the two months after the European Union referendum.

Employment remained at a record high of 31.8 million, the unemployment rate was at an 11-year low of 4.9 per cent and wage growth was steady at 2.3 per cent in a surprisingly resilient jobs market for the three months to August.

Sterling was unmoved by the news, holding at $1.2296 against the dollar after edging a little lower in early trading. It rose 0.16 cents against the euro to €1.1212.

Nick Palmer, of the Office for National Statistics, said that the official data suggested “continuing confidence in the economy” during the summer and after the vote.

However, other experts warned of a looming squeeze on living standards as inflation threatens to overtake pay growth. Economists and officials expect Britain’s decision to leave the European Union to hit jobs and wages as businesses row back on investment and demand falters, but there has been little sign of the effect to date.

The 74.5 per cent employment rate is a record high, vacancies are holding up at 749,000 and almost all the 106,000 jobs created were by companies rather than self-employed.

The claimant count for September, which is one month ahead of the unemployment numbers and is based on jobseeker’s allowance claims, was 2.3 per cent, the same as August and just above the 2.2 per cent earlier in the year.

http://www.thetimes.co.uk/edition/bu...eeze-lfx99m2qt

Thought I would post this again as some people obviously missed it.

Which monkey are you.....Hear No, See No or Speak No.......or a strange mongrel of all three?

 

[Green Cross Code Man]

No. Unlike Greece we have a way of keeping up repayments on our debt.

The problem with Greece is not the level of their debt, just the fact that Germany is having to repay it.

Yeah Germany is repaying Greek debt but somehow earning €€€ in the process.

 

[Green Cross Code Man]

Which monkey are you.....Hear No, See No or Speak No.......or a strange mongrel of all three?

I was sure you were taking to the Clamp, Herr T or numerous other remainers.

 

[Biscuit Barrel]

Yeah Germany is repaying Greek debt but somehow earning €€€ in the process.

That's the Germans for you. Have to keep your eye on that lot.

 

[Diego Napier]

I guess you don't have the mental motor skills that enable you to grasp the concept of cause and effect.

If you did, then understanding why millions of people decided to vote for Brexit is really rather simple.........

........is it because they lacked sufficient mental motor skills to grasp the concept of cause and effect?

 

[Soulman]

Dear Chancellor

Your recent actions, and the actions of the Treasury, have left me deeply disturbed – in particular following your speech at the Conservative Party Conference.

It is the job of a Chancellor in Government to soothe and reassure the financial markets. You appear set on destabilising them.

I understand your efforts to reassure big business the UK is still ‘open for business’ following Brexit. However, this does not mean you should directly oppose the Prime Minister and your Cabinet colleagues when they are trying to achieve what is best for the whole of the United Kingdom, and not just the City.

The recent leaking of an old Treasury report – which had been part of ‘Project Fear’ before the referendum and which had already been discredited – to the Remain-backing Times newspaper earlier last week, seems to demonstrate you seem to be just as willing as your predecessor, George Osborne, to play dirty to get your own way.

Please understand – the Great British Public voted for Brexit and do not like what some of those who have previously supported Remain will try and do to keep the UK in the EU.

Other Remain backers have accepted the result of the referendum and have resolved to make Brexit work. It’s now time for you to do likewise and support the Prime Minister and the three Brexiteers to achieve a truly global United Kingdom.
http://getbritainout.org/please-write-to-the-chancellor/

 

[cunning fergus]

........is it because they lacked sufficient mental motor skills to grasp the concept of cause and effect?

In the context of this thread and reference to the thousands of Ford redundancies due to production being moved to a Turkish plant paid for with EU taxpayers money, I think it's easy to understand why people affected by this decision or who understand it would want to vote out.

Far from protecting EU jobs, the EU is evidently keen to see EU jobs pass to a non EU country.

Hard to believe, but that is what happened...........feel free to explain why those Ford workers would vote remain?

Overto you...

 

[Soulman]

In the context of this thread and reference to the thousands of Ford redundancies due to production being moved to a Turkish plant paid for with EU taxpayers money, I think it's easy to understand why people affected by this decision or who understand it would want to vote out.

Far from protecting EU jobs, the EU is evidently keen to see EU jobs pass to a non EU country.

Hard to believe, but that is what happened...........feel free to explain why those Ford workers would vote remain?

Overto you...

Add to that.

Cadbury moved factory to Poland 2011 with EU grant.

Ford Transit moved to Turkey 2013 with EU grant.

Jaguar Land Rover has recently agreed to build a new plant in Slovakia with EU grant, owned by Tata, the same company who has trashed our steel works and emptied the workers’ pension funds.

Peugeot closed its Ryton (was Rootes Group) plant and moved production to Slovakia with EU grant.

British Army’s new Ajax fighting vehicles to be built in Spain using Swedish steel at the request of the EU to support jobs in Spain with EU grant, rather than Wales .

Dyson gone to Malaysia , with an EU loan.

M&S manufacturing gone to far east with EU loan.

Hornby models gone. In fact all toys and models now gone from UK along with the patents all with EU grants.

 

[pb21]

In the context of this thread and reference to the thousands of Ford redundancies due to production being moved to a Turkish plant paid for with EU taxpayers money, I think it's easy to understand why people affected by this decision or who understand it would want to vote out.

Far from protecting EU jobs, the EU is evidently keen to see EU jobs pass to a non EU country.

Hard to believe, but that is what happened...........feel free to explain why those Ford workers would vote remain?

Overto you...

Just a couple of points of order:

1: To say it was "paid for with EU taxpayers money" is being somewhat disingenuous. It was, I believe, partially financed through a loan from the European Investment Bank (EIB); i.e. the EU taxpayers money will be paid back, plus interest? An more moot point is that this is the EU bank, not the EU per se, and personally I am unsure how this is structured?

2. The EIB also finances (and the EU directly funds) projects/development in the UK, thus keen to see the UK economy and its people prosper.

If you only portray the issue in the way you have presented it, it of course looks bad (and I would have be much more inclined to vote leave). But its not the way you have presented it, but you knew that anyway.

 

[cunning fergus]

Just a couple of points of order:

1: To say it was "paid for with EU taxpayers money" is being somewhat disingenuous. It was, I believe, partially financed through a loan from the European Investment Bank (EIB); i.e. the EU taxpayers money will be paid back, plus interest? An more moot point is that this is the EU bank, not the EU per se, and personally I am unsure how this is structured?

2. The EIB also finances (and the EU directly funds) projects/development in the UK, thus keen to see the UK economy and its people prosper.

If you only portray the issue in the way you have presented it, it of course looks bad (and I would have be much more inclined to vote leave). But its not the way you have presented it, but you knew that anyway.

This is odd, you send me this message grandly based on a "point of order" yet you then confirm you don't have any idea how the EIB works?

Is this not my point, how does it WORK?

What is the institution's strategic logic that allows it to provide funding to a US multinational like Ford so that it can build a factory in Turkey which means UK and other EU workers are made redundant.

The EIB is an EU institution and it would not exist without EU taxpayers, even if it's not taxpayers money that is loaned out.

The facts are that like the wider EU it hides from transparency and accountability, I don't know but I would wager this matter is no outlier.

By all means defend the EIB but so far I have provide a fact on how it has operated and why people should be suspicious about its aims, you on the other hand are offering nothing more than your own biased sentiment.

 

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[Fitzcarraldo]

Add to that.

Cadbury moved factory to Poland 2011 with EU grant.

Ford Transit moved to Turkey 2013 with EU grant.

Jaguar Land Rover has recently agreed to build a new plant in Slovakia with EU grant, owned by Tata, the same company who has trashed our steel works and emptied the workers’ pension funds.

Peugeot closed its Ryton (was Rootes Group) plant and moved production to Slovakia with EU grant.

British Army’s new Ajax fighting vehicles to be built in Spain using Swedish steel at the request of the EU to support jobs in Spain with EU grant, rather than Wales .

Dyson gone to Malaysia , with an EU loan.

M&S manufacturing gone to far east with EU loan.

Hornby models gone. In fact all toys and models now gone from UK along with the patents all with EU grants.

I feel like all of these are examples of multinational businesses moving their manufacturing bases to wherever is the most beneficial for them rather than a dastardly EU plot to strip the UK of our factories, as you seem to be saying. It is something that would undoubtedly continue regardless of whether we are inside or outside of the EU. A symptom of the globalised world we live in.

 

[pb21]

The EIB is an EU institution and it would not exist without EU taxpayers, even if it's not taxpayers money that is loaned out.

So when you said:

"...Turkish plant paid for with EU taxpayers money..."

That's not really the case is it?

Incidently I have just done a bit of research and apparently the EIB:

"raise the bulk of our lending resources on the international capital markets through bond issues"

And

"None of the money comes from the EU budget."

Pretty much everything you said was incorrect, even more so than I first thought!

 

[studio150]

Pretty much everything you said was incorrect,

Not a great surprise

 

[studio150]

Dear Chancellor

Your recent actions, and the actions of the Treasury, have left me deeply disturbed – in particular following your speech at the Conservative Party Conference.

It is the job of a Chancellor in Government to soothe and reassure the financial markets. You appear set on destabilising them.

I understand your efforts to reassure big business the UK is still ‘open for business’ following Brexit. However, this does not mean you should directly oppose the Prime Minister and your Cabinet colleagues when they are trying to achieve what is best for the whole of the United Kingdom, and not just the City.

The recent leaking of an old Treasury report – which had been part of ‘Project Fear’ before the referendum and which had already been discredited – to the Remain-backing Times newspaper earlier last week, seems to demonstrate you seem to be just as willing as your predecessor, George Osborne, to play dirty to get your own way.

Please understand – the Great British Public voted for Brexit and do not like what some of those who have previously supported Remain will try and do to keep the UK in the EU.

Other Remain backers have accepted the result of the referendum and have resolved to make Brexit work. It’s now time for you to do likewise and support the Prime Minister and the three Brexiteers to achieve a truly global United Kingdom.
http://getbritainout.org/please-write-to-the-chancellor/

So a debate within the cabinet is not permitted, and everyone must follow what May says or else. Wow this really is getting our country back.

No doubt you also disagreed with Hammond when he said no one voted to be poorer given that you don;t want him talking about Brexit unless it is to say Yes Prime Minister

 

[cunning fergus]

So when you said:



That's not really the case is it?

Incidently I have just done a bit of research and apparently the EIB:

"raise the bulk of our lending resources on the international capital markets through bond issues"

And

"None of the money comes from the EU budget."

Pretty much everything you said was incorrect, even more so than I first thought!

Are you saying Ford did not build a factory in a Turkey?
Are you saying Ford did not borrow millions from the EIB to build the factory?
Are you saying Ford did not lay off thousands of Ford workers in the U.K. and EU when production was shifted to a Turkey?
Are you saying the EIB is fully financially independent from any money from EU taxpayers?

Think carefully and let me know...........if you are not saying any of the above then I am right on pretty much everything and you cannot find any reason to justify it.

 

[GoldWithFalmer]

Are you saying the EIB is fully financially independent from any money from EU taxpayers?

Directly? or Indirectly? the latter then yes....is my understanding.....that said they underwrite other financial service sectors that do directly lend to companies such as Ford,finally the funding for the EIB comes from?

 

[knocky1]

I feel like all of these are examples of multinational businesses moving their manufacturing bases to wherever is the most beneficial for them rather than a dastardly EU plot to strip the UK of our factories, as you seem to be saying. It is something that would undoubtedly continue regardless of whether we are inside or outside of the EU. A symptom of the globalised world we live in.

Absolutely. I agree with cunnilingus though. What does EIB do? What does Spanish Dave do was obvious in comparison.

 

[wellquickwoody]

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