[Politics] Brexit

[studio150]

Ah this is what you're all about - glib one-liner tittle-tattle that contributes nothing. Why don't you nick off until you've got something interesting to say?

Or an answer to a question

 

[portslade seagull]

Really. In your opinion, which obviously I mainly disagree with. Do you think that after getting on for nearly 2000 pages that by keep bleating and accusing the opinions or the result will change. We become more entrenched in our views because we do not agree.

Sadly they will just keep moaning. Never have I known so many so eager for a country to fail just to prove themselves right. So sad and all the usual suspects.

 

[Soulman]

Sadly they will just keep moaning. Never have I known so many so eager for a country to fail just to prove themselves right. So sad and all the usual suspects.

Exactly. Sadly those that oppose their stance are posting less. A few of the Remoaners actually make some interesting posts and at the start of the EU threads before the result the debate was ok. Sadly it has gone sour since Leave won the referendum. Nothing really worth saying now, the positions are clear. Note to self, must keep off NSC in the day as full of Remoaners
All the usual suspects as you say.

 

[Biscuit Barrel]

The other interesting responses from the poll, are:

Is the lower valued pound a good thing - 55% said No

Will the economic position improve over the next 12 months - 53% said would get worse

Will your living standard improve when the UK leaves the EU - only 24% said it would improve



But of course the polling is invalid as it didn't ask any question about getting our country back. But the realism of being poorer is present.

There is every chance you will be poorer. This is because you are a victim and are after any excuse not to do well in life. You now have someone else to blame. Those pesky 17 million people who voted to leave.

Grow a back bone and get on with things.

 

[Simster]

Sadly they will just keep moaning. Never have I known so many so eager for a country to fail just to prove themselves right. So sad and all the usual suspects.

If you believe that nonsense then you're another absolute simpleton. I don't want us to fail, I just believe that we will because I firmly believe this will prove to be a disastrous decision.

You have been informed of the difference between wanting the country to fail and expecting it to. Please do keep up and PAY ATTENTION.

 

[Deleted member 22389]

There is every chance you will be poorer. This is because you are a victim and are after any excuse not to do well in life. You now have someone else to blame. Those pesky 17 million people who voted to leave.

Grow a back bone and get on with things.

Quite right too.

 

[Deleted member 22389]

If you believe that nonsense that you're another absolute simpleton. I don't want us to fail, I just believe that we will because I firmly believe this will prove to be a disastrous decision.

You have been informed of the difference between wanting the country to fail and expecting it to. Please do keep up and PAY ATTENTION.

Life goes on doesn't it? There is a lot worse shit going on in this world.

 

[pastafarian]

It will be once the UK is out of the EU. Care to tell me why it will be more useful, than say, an Irish passport? An Irish passport will grant you a lot more freedom than a U.K. one.

it wont be more useful if you want to live and work in Europe, but i still consider a UK passport is not something you are lumbered with. will there be uk passport queues and everyone else queues when we fly back into gatwick?.....hope so,should speed things up a bit.
Quite happy a UK passport will be less useful than an Irish one if you want to live in Berlin. Its a price worth paying to secure the border.

 

[ManOfSussex]

I heard 'West End Girls' by The Pet Shop Boys earlier and there's a lyric in the song, which could almost have written for the referendum threads on NSC:

Too many shadows, whispering voices
Faces on posters, too many choices
If, when, why, what?
How much have you got?
Have you got it, do you get it, if so, how often?
And which do you choose, a hard or soft option?

Amazing.

 

[pastafarian]

so, no, I can't agree with you that everyone who ticked the out box did so in the full knowledge of the possible implications regarding the single market and inward migration from middle Europe.
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i find it very odd you personally didnt know a vote to leave meant no longer being members of the single market,your official REMAIN campaign themselves knew LEAVE were advocating quitting being members of the single market, perhaps you should have read some of their material.

 

[Simster]

Life goes on doesn't it? There is a lot worse shit going on in this world.

Well yes, but that's not what the thread is about.

it wont be more useful if you want to live and work in Europe, but i still consider a UK passport is not something you are lumbered with. will there be uk passport queues and everyone else queues when we fly back into gatwick?.....hope so,should speed things up a bit.
Quite happy a UK passport will be less useful than an Irish one if you want to live in Berlin. Its a price worth paying to secure the border.

Whether it is a price worth paying can surely only be determined once we understand the full terms of Brexit. If we can negotiate access to the free market on terms only marginally worse than what we have now (so a levy that doesn't offset the damage caused by the way we shamefully have to currently prop up the CAP), but also the ability to negotiate our own trade details with other nations, and a block on free movement from the EU, then I'd agree with you. However, it is far from certain that this is where we will be. I think we'll be worse off. A LOT worse off.

 

[The Clamp]

There is every chance you will be poorer. This is because you are a victim and are after any excuse not to do well in life. You now have someone else to blame. Those pesky 17 million people who voted to leave.

Grow a back bone and get on with things.

I would love to see you go round to these workplaces or perhaps their family's homes and tell them to grow a backbone.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...ices-750m-hit-Britain-s-decision-quit-EU.html

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/w...t-hurry-up-decide-italy-demands-a7226846.html

http://www.legalweek.com/sites/lega...pect-job-cuts-to-come-as-brexit-impact-bites/

http://www.dezeen.com/2016/07/07/br...certainty-architecture-construction-industry/

https://www.theguardian.com/busines...exit-terror-attacks-ticket-sales-london-paris

https://www.theguardian.com/busines...further-post-brexit-losses-when-trade-reopens

http://fortune.com/2016/06/24/london-brexit-jobs/

http://www.bdonline.co.uk/architects-shed-jobs-as-brexit-fallout-begins/5082489.article

http://www.thisismoney.co.uk/money/...-vote-Bank-warns-250-000-jobs-lost-years.html

http://www.thisismoney.co.uk/money/...bal-banks-shifting-jobs-London-Continent.html

http://labourlist.org/2016/10/gleni...-fresh-curbs-on-the-rights-of-working-people/

 

[pastafarian]

Well yes, but that's not what the thread is about.



Whether it is a price worth paying can surely only be determined once we understand the full terms of Brexit. If we can negotiate access to the free market on terms only marginally worse than what we have now (so a levy that doesn't offset the damage caused by the way we shamefully have to currently prop up the CAP), but also the ability to negotiate our own trade details with other nations, and a block on free movement from the EU, then I'd agree with you. However, it is far from certain that this is where we will be. I think we'll be worse off. A LOT worse off.

think you misunderstood what i wrote(or was trying to portray).

price worth paying in the regard of border control v being able to move about.......not price economically

 

[Biscuit Barrel]

I would love to see you go round to these workplaces or perhaps their family's homes and tell them to grow a backbone. You tactless ****wit.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...ices-750m-hit-Britain-s-decision-quit-EU.html

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/w...t-hurry-up-decide-italy-demands-a7226846.html

http://www.legalweek.com/sites/lega...pect-job-cuts-to-come-as-brexit-impact-bites/

http://www.dezeen.com/2016/07/07/br...certainty-architecture-construction-industry/

https://www.theguardian.com/busines...exit-terror-attacks-ticket-sales-london-paris

https://www.theguardian.com/busines...further-post-brexit-losses-when-trade-reopens

http://fortune.com/2016/06/24/london-brexit-jobs/

http://www.bdonline.co.uk/architects-shed-jobs-as-brexit-fallout-begins/5082489.article

http://www.thisismoney.co.uk/money/...-vote-Bank-warns-250-000-jobs-lost-years.html

http://www.thisismoney.co.uk/money/...bal-banks-shifting-jobs-London-Continent.html

http://labourlist.org/2016/10/gleni...-fresh-curbs-on-the-rights-of-working-people/

Has anyone lost their job due to Brexit? All of those articles you kindly sent me are all predictions.

The last time I looked there was record employment in the UK and the economy since Brexit was performing very well, far better than the other countries in th EU.

Your project fear will not work on me. I will not be a victim like you.

 

[The Clamp]

Has anyone lost their job due to Brexit? All of those articles you kindly sent me are all predictions.

The last time I looked there was record employment in the UK and the economy since Brexit was performing very well, far better than the other countries in th EU.

Your project fear will not work on me. I will not be a victim like you.

You clearly haven't even read them. Some predictions, some have happened, some are going to happen for example I think Ford can predict what will happen to it's own business and employees better than you. I think the architecture sector knows better than you, I think Legal week, this is money and bd know more than you.

Project fear? Ha, try project clueless. This is happening whether brexiters acknowledge it or not. It is happening now.

 

[Green Cross Code Man]

You clearly haven't even read them. Some predictions, some have happened, some are going to happen for example I think Ford can predict what will happen to it's own business and employees better than you. I think the architecture sector knows better than you, I think Legal week, this is money and bd know more than you.

Project fear? Ha, try project clueless. This is happening whether brexiters acknowledge it or not. It is happening now.

Record numbers in employment announced today. It is happening now.

 

[The Clamp]

Record numbers in employment announced today. It is happening now.

Headline placation. Read the real Industry news, sectors are in crisis, Industry is preparing to shed employees in unprecedented numbers. You can argue black is white all day long, it's happening now..

 

[Green Cross Code Man]

Eh, what ‘democratic mandate’ have I not understood?!

These Brexit people claim to love democracy, but it appears they only love democracy when it suits them.

That is what you said regarding the use of the Royal prerogative as you want parliament to undermine or ignore the referendum result.

In the light of your attitude displayed above, how does 'Surely it would be undemocratic to ignore what the majority of people want?' sound now?

 

[beorhthelm]

Headline placation. Read the real Industry news, sectors are in crisis, Industry is preparing to shed employees in unprecedented numbers. You can argue black is white all day long, it's happening now..

you mean like the ones about commercial rents increasing, new office space occupied as i read earlier this week? wasnt there a small computer hardware maker annonuce they are to build new office for few employees in London?

 

[Lincoln Imp]

seeing as you recognise there is a difference, why on earth make this point about opinion changing, since you know itspossible to hold both views?

But, as others have determined, there is little tangible day-to-day economic difference between losing membership of the single market and losing full access to it. Both are disasters (or triumphs if you're Liam Fox). You wouldn't expect a voter on the Clapham omnibus to be in favour of one and against the other. (The main difference as far as I can tell is that lost membership means lost influence over the future direction of the single market.)