[Politics] Brexit

[Soulman]

False information you say... I think we have a regular contributor on the thread funnily enough.
.. although, with the usual.. it was a 'mistake' when confronted about it.

I take it you are referring to me. I see in one of your posts you are sticking up for the younger generation re their votes as opposed to the older vote and future. I suppose seeing as you have a preference for the younger lady (35 ish) then that would make sense.

 

[daveinprague]

I take it you are referring to me. I see in one of your posts you are sticking up for the younger generation re their votes as opposed to the older vote and future. I suppose seeing as you have a preference for the younger lady (35 ish) then that would make sense.

Im sticking up for the younger generation, who have years, possibly decades of uncertainty ahead of them. The people who will supposedly be leading us into the sunlit uplands. At least your post didnt containg a lie this time, I have to give you some credit.

 

[Baldseagull]

I expect some of it will be going to the NHS.

Still residing in a fantasy land I see.

That "saving" of £10Billion has already more than gone on the extra interest we now pay on borrowing, because our credit rating has dropped. And we are still paying our dues to the Union at the moment.

 

[Baldseagull]

That's more a continuation of negativity than a description of self pity. Would you agree it might be best to wait more than a couple of weeks before we completely right of Brexit as an economic disaster?

No, it was predicted by wiser heads than yours or mine. Some might call them Experts.

 

[The Clamp]

It's simply tragic to see England becoming less and less relevant to the rest of the world. We look like fools and it will only get worse as the true scale of this mess unfolds. Seeing little englanders baiting immigrants and abusing people is disturbing enough but the long term ramifications are truly frightening. And to see people celebrating a "victory". Shudder.

 

[The Clamp]

Still residing in a fantasy land I see.

That "saving" of £10Billion has already more than gone on the extra interest we now pay on borrowing, because our credit rating has dropped. And we are still paying our dues to the Union at the moment.

Quite. And both May and Leadsom are anti -NHS and not too hot on human rights either. This is going to get a lot, lot worse.

 

[c0lz]

Huh?

David Cameron and Co not having a plan B after the referendum and presuming the stay would win, ok the Brexit didn't either but they were not the ones in power.

 

[Baldseagull]

I do apologise, I did not mean to frighten you.

 

[The Clamp]

David Cameron and Co not having a plan B after the referendum and presuming the stay would win, ok the Brexit didn't either but they were not the ones in power.

I see. How do you know they didn't have a plan if we were to stay? They certainly had one if we left.......Scarper!

 

[hans kraay fan club]

Would you agree it might be best to wait more than a couple of weeks before we completely right of Brexit as an economic disaster?

No, I don't think that is necessary at all. Brexit IS already an economic disaster.

Credit rating down-graded
Companies making plans to leave
Redundancy notices issued

We can wait 'more than a couple of weeks' to see how well we can recover from it, but it IS a disaster, make no mistake.

 

[daveinprague]

David Cameron and Co not having a plan B after the referendum and presuming the stay would win, ok the Brexit didn't either but they were not the ones in power.

but what plan B could they possibly have had?

 

[lawros left foot]

David Cameron and Co not having a plan B after the referendum and presuming the stay would win, ok the Brexit didn't either but they were not the ones in power.

And when Carney puts forward a plan B, he's accused of Scaremongering

 

[ManOfSussex]

Now now we all know that has NOTHING to do with Brexit. Shouts of "we voted you out" are merely coincidental.

Double glazing and extra thick net curtains should solve it all anyway.

I wouldn't dare suggest or think that it has ANYTHING to do with Brexit at all. I don't think double glazing or extra thick net curtains are necessary either, denying it's happening or got anything to do with Brexit works just fine.

 

[The Clamp]

but what plan B could they possibly have had?

What plan did they need? If we stay, we go on as before. This was unfortunately the hard sell of the remain campaign. If you are living in a former steel town with no prospect of employment and aare fed a pack of lies about why you are in that situation and the people that lie to you then say "Time for CHANGE" it's going to sound better than "It's all going to stay the same".

 

[SK1NT]

How about this for starters




1. We can trade with the EU under WTO rules with no commitment to free movement.

2. About 50% of net migration is from the EU.

1. NO! less than 50% is from the EU, maybe fractionally however it is LESS than half of all immigration.

2. Merkal has said we will have to allowed free movement of people if we want favorable trading rules with the EU.

 

[beorhthelm]

but what plan B could they possibly have had?

under normal operations, government departments make contingency plans for events, especially the treasury. in the lead up the remain/government said there isn't any planning, and apparently this wasn't just for show, there really wasn't any. its fairly unprecedented for the civil service to not have at least outline contingencies. this doesnt excuse the leave camp from have no plans either, but it is neglectful of the government.

 

[c0lz]

but what plan B could they possibly have had?

I would expect our PM and all of his advisory's to have taken some measures in place after all they are the experts,

funny the conversation did come up on the Brussels meeting 16th February 2016

Mr Cameron also met European Commission President Jean-Claude Juncker to discuss the reforms the UK is seeking to its relationship with the EU, as he continues his diplomatic push "where there are still details to be nailed down".
Before meeting Mr Cameron, Mr Juncker said there was no "plan B" as he refused to contemplate Britain leaving the 28-member bloc.
"I am not entering into the details of a plan B, because we don't have a plan B, we have a plan A. Britain will stay in the European Union as a constructive and active member of the Union," he said.

 

[daveinprague]

under normal operations, government departments make contingency plans for events, especially the treasury. in the lead up the remain/government said there isn't any planning, and apparently this wasn't just for show, there really wasn't any. its fairly unprecedented for the civil service to not have at least outline contingencies. this doesnt excuse the leave camp from have no plans either, but it is neglectful of the government.

Well, article 50 hasnt been triggered. Nothing has actually changed yet.
The bank of England said they had contingency plans to help to try and stem any catastrophe. What other plans should have been put in place by the treasury?

 

[Guinness Boy]

I would expect our PM and all of his advisory's to have taken some measures in place after all they are the experts,

funny the conversation did come up on the Brussels meeting 16th February 2016

Mr Cameron also met European Commission President Jean-Claude Juncker to discuss the reforms the UK is seeking to its relationship with the EU, as he continues his diplomatic push "where there are still details to be nailed down".
Before meeting Mr Cameron, Mr Juncker said there was no "plan B" as he refused to contemplate Britain leaving the 28-member bloc.
"I am not entering into the details of a plan B, because we don't have a plan B, we have a plan A. Britain will stay in the European Union as a constructive and active member of the Union," he said.

When people said bad things would happen if we left they were accused of lies and scaremongering. If there was a plan in place to deal with Brexit that included anything fiscal at all, and it had been leaked, it would have been played as scaremongering and interference by the Civil Service. It was absolutely incumbent on the Leave side to have a Leave strategy and they didn't.

 

[SK1NT]

ill elaborate on what you wrote




factually incorrect,everyone can trade with The EU,you dont have to have free movement to trade with The EU.



Its not solely about immigration though is it,even though you want it to be so.

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immigration from the EU does not equate to 0.5% of total immigration
EU migrants as a collective whole do not pay much more into the gov pot than they take out.


http://www.migrationwatchuk.org/briefing-paper/381
http://www.migrationwatchuk.org/briefing-paper/386
http://www.migrationwatchuk.org/press-release/448
feel free to show how their methodology is incorrect

"Haven't HMRC just published figures showing recent EEA nationals pay five times more than they get?
No. They only compare receipts of income tax and National Insurance with payments of child benefit and tax credits. The same comparison shows the UK general population paying six times more than they get. While on the one hand the comparison does not include taxes like VAT and excise duties, on the other hand it doesn't include housing benefit or any other DWP payments, and most importantly does not include the cost of any public services whatsoever."

You are just continuing with the same lies peddled before the referendum,not sure why you are bothering continuing down this avenue to be honest. The votes have been cast and the result is in.

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I'll stick to the real facts and not the facts from a site called migration watch

EU Migration less than half of all migration - Among the real facts – based on UK government statistics – are the following.
As Mark Harper, the Immigration Minister, said repeatedly on the BBC’s Question Time on Thursday 17 October, according to the Office for National Statistics, less than a third of net migration to the UK in recent years has been from the European Union.

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We make £20 billion off EU migrants...

https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2014/nov/05/eu-migrants-uk-gains-20bn-ucl-study



Re: Merkels comments about free movement of people:
Mrs Merkel informed the German parliament that she would ensure there was no negotiation "based on the principle of cherry-picking."

She added: "If you wish to have free access to the single market then you have to accept the fundamental rights as well as obligation that come from it.

"This is as true for Great Britain as for anybody else. Free access to the single market will be granted to a country which accepts the four fundamental freedoms of movement of people, goods, services and capital."

I believe my sources of information are likely to be more credible and accurate than the propaganda of ur migration watch site. I even varied my sources.

You're only ever going to believe what u want. I would carry on the conversation if i knew brexiters were open minded to facts...


Oh and let's not kid ourselves about the main reason of the brexit vote... Foreigners... You pretty picture only shows conservative and labour voters. Where was the UKIP vote?

Hate crimes shoot up: http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-36746763