[Politics] Brexit

[Green Cross Code Man]

Leave voters really cannot come up with one single, watertight argument for their decision. Their argument collapses with each attempt at justification.

The same could be said equally for remain. There are reasons for staying or leaving which are positive and compelling. An intelligent person weighs up their overall impression and chooses accordingly. It's staggering that anyone in either camp would think that either camp has a monopoly of good reason just as it's staggering that you would think that there should be some kind of unified theory which unites the leave argument. There isn't one unifying argument which unites the remain campaign either.

 

[Baldseagull]

sorry that image burst your little idea that immigration was the most important factor in the referendum

You didn't watch the clip did you, he was quoting a Welsh lady who was quick to say she voted out but was a bit stumped when asked why? It did not matter which issue she chose, she clearly had not thought much about it, and blurted out the first one that came to mind.

 

[The Clamp]

i see. you want every leaver to present a fully itemised budget for the rest of the parliament? or are you unable to accept a simple answer, one you implicitly agree with when saying the people are too stupid to vote and leave it to the elected representatives.

Hence my post. Hence the problem. Hence my point.

 

[The Clamp]

The same could be said equally for remain. There are reasons for staying or leaving which are positive and compelling. An intelligent person weighs up their overall impression and chooses accordingly. It's staggering that anyone in either camp would think that either camp has a monopoly of good reason just as it's staggering that you would think that there should be some kind of unified theory which unites the leave argument. There isn't one unifying argument which unites the remain campaign either.

Cannot agree with a lot of that. Lots of universal unifying factors for remain.

 

[beorhthelm]

Hence my post. Hence the problem. Hence my point.

you dont have any point, just crying at everyone while apparently wanting to end democracy because people are too stupid to vote. and to be fair, i agree, because it seems a large proportion arent willing to accept the process either. we should have a test to qualify voters then we can maybe have some more grown up politics.

 

[Baldseagull]

But nobody, not even the most ardent 'leave' campaigners, said that there wouldn't be at least some price to pay in the short term. On the day after the vote, the FTSE 100 dropped significantly. Lots of 'Remain' supporters pointed to it being the start of our permanent economic collapse. Three days later, it's back above pre-referendum levels and lots of ardent 'Leave' voters say 'I told you so - everything is rosy.' Both these groups were wrong.

The truth is, we're facing a period of uncertainty now as we work out what shape Brexit will take, who will lead the country, how the other EU nations will negotiate with us, and so on. But nobody can predict the long term impact of leaving. There are some significant risks, but some big opportunities too. It's time to focus on grasping those opportunities.

There are always a few good opportunities for someone in a recession, if you have got some cash. The people who will suffer the most are the ones already suffering a fair bit, and those that benefit are the small percentage of those who are already quite well off.

 

[5ways]

The same could be said equally for remain. There are reasons for staying or leaving which are positive and compelling. An intelligent person weighs up their overall impression and chooses accordingly. It's staggering that anyone in either camp would think that either camp has a monopoly of good reason just as it's staggering that you would think that there should be some kind of unified theory which unites the leave argument. There isn't one unifying argument which unites the remain campaign either.

There is only one good reason for Leaving and that is the democracy angle, yet even that on closer inspection does not stand up to scrutiny. The economic stability and future prosperity of the UK unites the remain camp.

 

[hans kraay fan club]

There isn't one unifying argument which unites the remain campaign either.

There is though. It's this one:

"The United Kingdom is better off remaining within the EU, and the known and unknown risks of leaving are not worth taking"

 

[The Clamp]

you dont have any point, just crying at everyone while apparently wanting to end democracy because people are too stupid to vote. and to be fair, i agree, because it seems a large proportion arent willing to accept the process either. we should have a test to qualify voters then we can maybe have some more grown up politics.

Don't be a cliche, it's unhelpful.

 

[daveinprague]

Whilst the younger generation are fobbed off and sneered at for not voting in huge numbers, you have to fear for them over the next, who knows how many years, of uncertainty, and these are the people who will have to deal with the consequences, and live through the years of uncertainty.

 

[Baldseagull]

Opinions are like arsseholes, everyone's got one.

And yours stinks.

 

[Green Cross Code Man]

Cannot agree with a lot of that. Lots of universal unifying factors for remain.

Which one is it? Change your mind?

 

[c0lz]

I would say about 70% of the UK population were too stupid to vote on this matter. As in too I'll informed, lack of research, false motives, and plain lack of knowledge as to what the EU does for this country. So what's that? About 45.5 million I think. There's your answer. I believe there are 45.5 million people in the UK too stupid to vote on such matters. Including me.
I would say I am too stupid to vote on matters of such importance but vote I was required to do and vote I did.
So there's your answer.


P.S don't try your usual "your opinion is worthless" crap just because someone is giving you as good as you're dishing out. It butters no parsnips round here.

Funny how the Brexit's are stupid ones but the In camp never had a plan B if they lost .

 

[Wrong-Direction]

And yours stinks.

 

[daveinprague]

Funny how the Brexit's are stupid ones but the In camp never had a plan B if they lost .

What plan should have been put in place by remainers?

 

[The Clamp]

Which one is it? Change your mind?

Big thumbs, small phone. Edited for clarity. Trying to score points on phone use is again, unhelpful to the debate.

 

[The Clamp]

Funny how the Brexit's are stupid ones but the In camp never had a plan B if they lost .

Huh?

 

[ManOfSussex]

42% increase in reported hate crime in the second half of June this year, compared to June 2015 according to National Police Chiefs Council figures. This includes the period after the referendum such as on 25th June when 289 offences were reported in The UK apparently. http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-36746763

 

[Baldseagull]

Despite all the knock about point scoring rubbish on this thread I would have thought any sensible person would agree it will probably take years to make a considered assessment of the +/- of Brexit. My only prediction is the short term instability will settle down and the economic fallout won't be nearly as bad as many are suggesting.

Most sensible people do agree, it will be crap in the short term, rising to not as good as it is now for the mid term, until long term, it turns out we are back where we started, and very long term we might be better off than if we had stayed but we can never know for sure, economically that is.
Environmental issues, employment rights and freedoms will be lower in the UK, but you get to choose which of two parties will the boss for the next 5 years. Well you think you do, but you will get whoever Murdoch wants.

 

[Albumen]

42% increase in reported hate crime in the second half of June this year, compared to June 2015 according to National Police Chiefs Council figures. This includes the period after the referendum such as on 25th June when 289 offences were reported in The UK apparently. http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-36746763

Now now we all know that has NOTHING to do with Brexit. Shouts of "we voted you out" are merely coincidental.

Double glazing and extra thick net curtains should solve it all anyway.