[Politics] Brexit

[severnside gull]

Do you think a remain vote would have changed these people's opinions?

There is the world of difference in a civilised society between what people think and what they do. The way in which the campaign was conducted and the result has emboldened a minority to believe that it is acceptable to act out their thoughts, not only without repercussion, but with the tacit endorsement of perhaps a majority.
I genuinely believe that we are at a crossroads where if the minority are allowed to believe their behaviour will be tolerated then they will act out their beliefs ever more strongly. It happened here in the thirties and it can happen again. It just takes good people to remain silent.

 

[Soulman]

Are you seriously trying to take the moral high ground, or trying to be ironic and failing badly?

Neither, just commenting on the message in your post........classy.

 

[pb21]

Neither, just commenting on the message in your post........classy.

The message in my post is spot on. People need to call our racism for what it is. We are in dangerous times, arguably racism has been somewhat validated recently we need to make it clear it's not. It's a shame you think otherwise.

 

[Steve in Japan]

I am genuinely taken aback by Generation Y post the referendum. Many of whom didn't actually vote.

Flooding social media with demands for a fresh referendum and poisonous messages for anyone who voted Leave. Concluding the end of the world has arrived after 2 fckn business days. General dummy spitting before anything has actually changed. Cherry picking any and every news byte that supports their views. And above all, claiming to be liberal and socialist whilst supporting the EU globalisation machine and ignoring the plight of any fellow citizen who might not be doing as well as them.

You really couldn't make it up.

 

[GT49er]

To all those who think there were no racist or xenophobic voters, voting leave last Thursday.
My wife overheard a conversation between three old ladies today, two of whom were complaining to the other because their taxi driver was an Asian, who " could hardly speak English" Never mind said old girl number three" he won't be here for long"
No, came the reply" and I'm glad the Poles have got to go ,as well, I don't like Poles"
All three voted out on Thursday, I know because they took great delight in telling me on Friday

I was in a small Scottish town called Edzell one Saturday evening in the late eighties. Two respectable looking elderly ladies of pensionable age were standing at the bus stop outside Woolworth's. The conversation I overheard went thus:
"See the bus is late again".
"Aye, it's never been right since they Stagecoach people took it over".
"Ye're right hen, ah blame they f*kc*ng English".

From this I was able to draw the conclusion that all female Scottish pensioners are potty-mouthed racist Anglophobes.
And that they are too stupid to realise that Stagecoach was a Scottish company, based in Perth.

I think you'll agree my conclusions a

 

[Baldseagull]

C'mon Remoaners keep knocking yourselves out. Some might go bang with anger soon. Fantastic stuff.

I am trying to point out that you should be unhappy too, none of us is going to get what we want.

Boris and Gove did not expect this result, which is why they thought it would be ok to lie about what you would get. They just wanted to show their anti E.U. credentials to the party, but never have to do anything about it. Come the negotiations, free movement of Labour will be one of the things E.U. will want, we will accept, you will be told it is because we have to consider the wishes of the 48% who wanted to remain and chuck them a bit of a lifeline, further dividing leave and remain voters, we will also pay a fee to the Union, this will be called the cost of doing business with Europe, there will be regulations that the E.U. produces that we will have to comply with, because this is what they do with anyone who has a free trade agreement, to ensure their members are not competing with producers that can cut corners.

When this happens, I promise I will not post responses to your whinings, laughing at you, because this is a tragedy, not a comedy. I may not be able to stop myself posting "I told you so" though.

 

[lawros left foot]

I was in a small Scottish town called Edzell one Saturday evening in the late eighties. Two respectable looking elderly ladies of pensionable age were standing at the bus stop outside Woolworth's. The conversation I overheard went thus:
"See the bus is late again".
"Aye, it's never been right since they Stagecoach people took it over".
"Ye're right hen, ah blame they f*kc*ng English".

From this I was able to draw the conclusion that all female Scottish pensioners are potty-mouthed racist Anglophobes.
And that they are too stupid to realise that Stagecoach was a Scottish company, based in Perth.

I think you'll agree my conclusions a

And you've remembered that since the Eighties? Blimey, you must have been really upset by it, have you tried counselling?

 

[GoldWithFalmer]

Some of the leave voters on here refusal to accept the facts that voting for brexit has seriously thrown things into turmoil is kinda freaking me out. Literally the whole world is shitting the bed and *most* of the leave voters are acting like nothing is wrong. What's it going to take? The PM resigned, Osborne has said shit is rough, the pounds tanked, the markets tanked, the politicians have near enough come out straight and said there is no plan (yet) and this goes on. But there's leave voters on here quoting made up nonsense about the pound and fluff about how our Aston Martins are now more of a bargain. Brill news! It's truly bewildering.

If you come out and say yeah, it's rough at the moment to say the least, but I believe in my vote and I think it's worth this trouble, then fair play, but it's like you're blocking your eyes and ears. Unbelievable. I wondered how people can believe farage and his BS. Question answered really.

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I voted leave.....I wanted control of borders and a sort of points system...If we want free access to the single market then for me the whole vote has been a waste of time-not only do we still pay the EU what we do now,we will have to accept freedom of movement,we will have no say on EU policy as we will not be there....a waste of time..

The real cost to control immigration is to be denied acces to the single market,we all suffer in the medium term and have to be patient to see the benefits later on..

 

[Seagull58]

I voted leave.....I wanted control of borders and a sort of points system...If we want free access to the single market then for me the whole vote has been a waste of time-not only do we still pay the EU what we do now,we will have to accept freedom of movement,we will have no say on EU policy as we will not be there....a waste of time..

The real cost to control immigration is to be denied acces to the single market,we all suffer in the medium term and have to be patient to see the benefits later on..

It is not a fact that we cannot have free access to the single market without free movement of labour. It is a negotiating position.

 

[Baldseagull]

At least we'll get bendy bananas now.

Twice the price though.

 

[GoldWithFalmer]

Just listening to Tim Martin, owner of Wetherspoons.. He is blaming George Osborne and David Cameron for the current state of the stock exchange and Currency collapse...

" If DC and GO had not predicted market chaos and financial meltdown we would not have had market chaos and financial meltdown ".

It is their fault apparently and they are now rowing backwards to put things right...... He always seems to slur his words, has he been sampling too much of his own product ?

There is a certain amount of truth in this-quite a lot actually..

 

[Driver8]

I voted leave.....I wanted control of borders and a sort of points system...If we want free access to the single market then for me the whole vote has been a waste of time-not only do we still pay the EU what we do now,we will have to accept freedom of movement,we will have no say on EU policy as we will not be there....a waste of time..

The real cost to control immigration is to be denied acces to the single market,we all suffer in the medium term and have to be patient to see the benefits later on..

What benefits are they then?

 

[GT49er]

And you've remembered that since the Eighties? Blimey, you must have been really upset by it, have you tried counselling?

Pity you jumped in before I'd finished my post (NSC keeps freezing). There are always odd little moments that for no reason stick in your memory - sights, sounds, smell, everything - but the always stick. Some of them even go back to isolated moments during childhood - you don't know at the time that that is a memory that will still be vivid 50 or more years later. It happens. And no, I don't need counselling, though I do fear for the mental health of some of the more foaming-at-the-mouth angry at losing remainers, still desperately clinging to their 'Leavers are racists' mantra (which sadly, was one of the remainers' more successful propaganda arguments - it fooled loads of gullible young people, after all).

 

[looney]

I see you cut off the cash payments to the E.U. part, so I will assume you accept that as true, I am not lying about the rest, but in fairness, neither is it nailed on fact, just realistic expectation. If you believe we will end up with no free movement of Labour, and that we will not have to adopt any E.U. legislation, and we can still have free trade with Europe, I fully expect you to be the one being told to get over it and stop whinging before long

I singled out the first 2 as being blatant rubbish, thats not how sovereignty works. I excluded the other because it was not unprovably false Excuse the mangeled English. The Idea that trade comes with payments/sweateners to 1st world countries who hold a net surpluss balance of trade with you is laughable. Maybe i should of left it in?.

 

[GoldWithFalmer]

Really? When did the pound fall against the Dollar more than it did today? I am not looking for the downside, it is screaming out at me, and pretending that it ain't so bad cos we are not down much against the Euro, is failing to acknowledge that we had already lost ground against it in anticipation of this referendum, which, had the result gione the other way, would likely have returned to some degree, and that our exit is damaging the Euro too.
These things are temporary, we may get worse, we may get some recovery and in the long run I am sure it will work out roughly the same as if we had never had the referendum . But given that leaving will not end free movement, will not stop E.U. legislation ending up in British law and not save us £350Million a week, is it ****ing worth it?

As a leave voter no it's not worth it and this is why we(myself anyway) feel we need the cleanest of breaks and go out altogether...

 

[looney]

Leaving the EU also won't stop all those hoards of EU member state passport holding Muslims heading to our country. I didn't read that on 4chan either, you would have to be an utter vile numpty of monumental proportions to think otherwise.

What does this have to do with Muslims? Are you some kind of bigot?

 

[GoldWithFalmer]

Yeah, I really should be happy that we have lost our last triple A rating, that my kids future is a lot less rosy than it was last week, that the pound is going down the shitter, that my country is considered to be batshit mental by the rest of the World, that the only World leaders celebrating this, is Vladimir Putin, that a rise in xenophobia and racism is on the cards,that investment has stalled, that our whole political system is in flux,that a ,self promoting adulterous,racist,egocentric will probably be Prime Minister of the most right wing Government this land has ever seen, that Scotland will probably break away, that Northern Ireland may do the same.

So ,yeah i should probably cheer up, and keep smiling

Brexit though has merely called the day and times we see now 40 years earlier..

 

[GoldWithFalmer]

It is not a fact that we cannot have free access to the single market without free movement of labour. It is a negotiating position.

I too could go to my bank and ask for 9% on savings...it won't happen.

 

[Soulman]

The message in my post is spot on. People need to call our racism for what it is. We are in dangerous times, arguably racism has been somewhat validated recently we need to make it clear it's not. It's a shame you think otherwise.

Have i said i "think otherwise" or have you just added what you want to think. I just commented on your comment, which really showed what you think, that's all.

 

[GoldWithFalmer]

What benefits are they then?

Less hatred for starters.....staying in the EU or having freedom of movement will see a 17m leave vote swell in my opinion.