[Politics] Brexit

[WATFORD zero]

Another huge leap forward into the sunny uplands as we finally 'Take Back Control'

‘Horrendous and chaotic’ border checks will increase food prices, ministers hear​

Labour MP Stella Creasy told the Commons: “Whether you supported or opposed Brexit nothing being proposed here is inevitable or unavoidable. From Wednesday for the first time, 2.7 million lorries will need to be stopped at Dover so their contents can be checked and another four million will require a health certificate for the animal products they carry. On top of this five million of them will have to pay a common user charge for the privilege of importing goods deemed medium or high risk – whether or not they’re inspected".

"The costs to business, which we know will be passed onto consumers, are horrendous and chaotic, these charges only being confirmed on April 18. The Government has admitted that this will cause inflation but they claim it’s only £300 million over 0.2% over three years, independent analysis shows it will be ten times that, or £8 a month on the average food shop.”

https://www.standard.co.uk/news/pol...ment-britain-mark-spencer-dover-b1154550.html

As this economic death by a thousand cuts continues week on week, year on year, I do wonder what those who voted for it and then voted to Get Brexit Done would think (obviously if they hadn't put this thread on ignore).

If I can't see it, then it's not happening

 

[Pavilionaire]

The new costs of import checks plus the extra costs of the 10% rise in National Minimum Wage could well send inflation back up again.

Anyway, the border check costs are all things us Remainers knew would happen 8 years ago. The question is not so much why have we got extra costs, but where are the Brexit benefits that outweigh these costs?

Are there really people out there who are prepared to put up with higher prices, higher taxes, strikes and longer NHS wait times just because they now have a blue passport and are not being told what to do by Brussels?

 

[Flounce]

Bloody Cameron Giving the gullible and lacking in knowledge British public the opportunity to decide on whether we stayed in Europe, along with Johnson’s self interest was an unmitigated bloody disaster. I spend quite a bit of time in France over the year and grabbed, via my father being Irish, an Irish passport once Brexit was confirmed but the hoops we had to jump through to get my wife a 6 month visa on a British passport was infuriating. Yes, self interest plays a big part in my opinion of Brexit.

 

[WATFORD zero]

Bloody Cameron Giving the gullible and lacking in knowledge British public the opportunity to decide on whether we stayed in Europe, along with Johnson’s self interest was an unmitigated bloody disaster. I spend quite a bit of time in France over the year and grabbed, via my father being Irish, an Irish passport once Brexit was confirmed but the hoops we had to jump through to get my wife a 6 month visa on a British passport was infuriating. Yes, self interest plays a big part in my opinion of Brexit.

To be fair, self interest was always the major factor in Brexit. The self interest of Boris Johnson, Nigel Farage and some others political self interest, together with some serious financial backing from disaster capitalists and their funders' self interests versus the self interest of the rest of Britain.

The thing I really don't understand is how they convinced certain groups (fishermen, farmers, red wall, etc) that Johnson Farage and co, together with their financial backers represented their best interests, despite all evidence to the contrary.

Although I always remember a Sales Director telling me years ago "you can only sell shit to people who are interested in buying shit"

 

[nicko31]

Hard Brexit

Hard Lessons

 

[Weststander]

Hard Brexit

Hard Lessons

A good show today. But wasn’t it frightening where it was said in passing that we might re-enter in the next 40 years.

I’d absolutely luv it if Labour said, now, that they’re going to explore options to rebuild a formal relationship with the EU. All they’d lose in the 2024 GE is a few angry blue collar nationalists. I know people who regret their vote for Brexit, JO’B has them call in their droves.

 

[nicko31]

A good show today. But wasn’t it frightening where it was said in passing that we might re-enter in the next 40 years.

I’d absolutely luv it if Labour said, now, that they’re going to explore options to rebuild a formal relationship with the EU. All they’d lose in the 2024 GE this time is a few angry blue collar nationalists. I know people who regret their vote for Brexit, JO’B has them call in their droves.

I'm not in the rejoin camp right now, mainly because I don't think its viable with the EU (too much bad blood)

Customs Union though is a no brainer, bin the trade deals signed, gains are minimal and in some cases even damage us.

I really do hope Labour are going to bring back a more sensible relationship with our neighbours, it helps no one

 

[Weststander]

I'm not in the rejoin camp right now, mainly because I don't think its viable with the EU (too much bad blood)

Customs Union though is a no brainer, bin the trade deals signed, gains are minimal and in some cases even damage us.

Seems like I’m on my NSC lonesome then .

Von der Leyen and a few others were not representative. German political and business leaders, as well as the Dutch, Poles and all Nordic nations had and have a huge respect for us on every level. It’s mutual.

Staying optimistic.

 

[Lever]

I suspect that the only real residual benefit for hard line Leavers is that Brexit has divided the nation and p****ed off Remainers.. That's not very ambitious or constructive, but there you go...

 

[A1X]

 

[zefarelly]

That may well be the case for us buying stuff that costs twice as much as 5 years ago . . .but can we sell any of our shit back , and where is our money coming from?

 

[BadFish]

The 'taking back control of our borders' is going well then.

Is there a single brexit promise that has come to fruition or were we totally and completely duped.

Out voters must be furious.

 

[BadFish]

Seems like I’m on my NSC lonesome then .

Von der Leyen and a few others were not representative. German political and business leaders, as well as the Dutch, Poles and all Nordic nations had and have a huge respect for us on every level. It’s mutual.

Staying optimistic.

This Video Is Very Awkward Viewing For Brexiters Performing The Most Enormous U-Turn

Another pledge that turned to dust?

www.huffingtonpost.co.uk

Would it be outrageous to suggest moving back to the position that the leave campaign were spruiking in the first place.

Based on the information from Farage and co at the time, no one voted to leave the single market.

 

[BadFish]

Another huge leap forward into the sunny uplands as we finally 'Take Back Control'

‘Horrendous and chaotic’ border checks will increase food prices, ministers hear​

Labour MP Stella Creasy told the Commons: “Whether you supported or opposed Brexit nothing being proposed here is inevitable or unavoidable. From Wednesday for the first time, 2.7 million lorries will need to be stopped at Dover so their contents can be checked and another four million will require a health certificate for the animal products they carry. On top of this five million of them will have to pay a common user charge for the privilege of importing goods deemed medium or high risk – whether or not they’re inspected".

"The costs to business, which we know will be passed onto consumers, are horrendous and chaotic, these charges only being confirmed on April 18. The Government has admitted that this will cause inflation but they claim it’s only £300 million over 0.2% over three years, independent analysis shows it will be ten times that, or £8 a month on the average food shop.”

https://www.standard.co.uk/news/pol...ment-britain-mark-spencer-dover-b1154550.html

As this economic death by a thousand cuts continues week on week, year on year, I do wonder what those who voted for it and then voted to Get Brexit Done would think (obviously if they hadn't put this thread on ignore).

If I can't see it, then it's not happening

There was an awful lot of support for Brexit on these boards that has been replaced by silence.

I guess that silence is a clear and loud response to it all.

I wonder what emotions are being felt by the out voters. I admit to being fairly fence about the whole thing until a day or two after the vote and it became clear that no one has even the slightest plan about how it was going to work (my only excuse is that I didn't really have a dog in the race or a vote).

Even with my lack of vote and fence sitting I feel angry and betrayed at those that promised so much and also ashamed and disappointed in myself for not seeing it for what is was more clearly and assuming that there was some kind of alternate plan for prosperity.

I guess from the tumble weeds across NSC the overriding emotion is shame.

What a f*** up.

 

[Weststander]

There was an awful lot of support for Brexit on these boards that has been replaced by silence.

I guess that silence is a clear and loud response to it all.

I wonder what emotions are being felt by the out voters. I admit to being fairly fence about the whole thing until a day or two after the vote and it became clear that no one has even the slightest plan about how it was going to work (my only excuse is that I didn't really have a dog in the race or a vote).

Even with my lack of vote and fence sitting I feel angry and betrayed at those that promised so much and also ashamed and disappointed in myself for not seeing it for what is was more clearly and assuming that there was some kind of alternate plan for prosperity.

I guess from the tumble weeds across NSC the overriding emotion is shame.

What a f*** up.

This got covered on NSC very recently when one or two new Brexit threads got started. Staunch Remainers were surprisingly angry to annoyed about it. They didn’t see the point of raking over old coals on a football forum and made it clear that they just want to get on with their lives for now. We have to remember that away from these tiny political bubbles, most people don’t do routinely do party politics or politics. Instead wanting to do happy stuff or deal with pressing things whilst on this mortal coil.

I’ve actually got more interested in the EU again, in a forward thinking way. I leave the eternal slagging off of past characters to others, what is the tangible point, but it doesn’t mean that I don’t dislike some of the ever lurching more to the Right variety eg Farage and Truss.

 

[BN41Albion]

Hard Brexit

Hard Lessons

Absolutely mindblowing that 25% of those voting in this poll would vote leave again if given the option. Not many of those 278 (so far) seem willing to post to explain wtf's going through their mind though

 

[Stat Brother]

Always worth a reminder that those who voted leave were lied too.
While those who voted remain had to do so with very little help and guidance.

 

[Stat Brother]

Absolutely mindblowing that 25% of those voting in this poll would vote leave again if given the option. Not many of those 278 (so far) seem willing to post to explain wtf's going through their mind though

Over 20% of the electorate are so happy with how the country has been run they will put a cross in the box for 5 more years of Tory rule.

 

[Weststander]

Absolutely mindblowing that 25% of those voting in this poll would vote leave again if given the option. Not many of those 278 (so far) seem willing to post to explain wtf's going through their mind though

From what I can gather …. loathing of unelected Eurocrats and their huge pensions, eastern European criminals/rapists/drug dealers able to operate here without a hope of deportation, loathing of much lower rates for trades etc (competition), small towns and villages don’t like the historical makeup of their localities being altered by mass immigration, the schools/surgeries/affordable homes allocation arguments.

Just saying!

[Zero need for Wednesday’s cavalry to reply to me …. I just happen to know a wide array of folk].

 

[BadFish]

This got covered on NSC very recently when one or two new Brexit threads got started. Staunch Remainers were surprisingly angry to annoyed about it. They didn’t see the point of raking over old coals on a football forum and made it clear that they just want to get on with their lives for now. We have to remember that away from these tiny political bubbles, most people don’t do routinely do party politics or politics. Instead wanting to do happy stuff or deal with pressing things whilst on this mortal coil.

I’ve actually got more interested in the EU again, in a forward thinking way. I leave the eternal slagging off of past characters to others, what is the tangible point, but it doesn’t mean that I don’t dislike some of the ever lurching more to the Right variety eg Farage and Truss.

Fair enough, I will let it lie then. I did my best to stay out of it for a long time, especially as I am not directly feeling the repercussions.

Perhaps I will do that again, although I will say that I hope that one benefit of the whole sorry debacle is that at some point their is some reflection on the process, influences etc so it is not repeated.