[Politics] Brexit

[nicko31]

Salient point. During the post vote years, the lovely Anna Holligan and Katya Adler in their BBC24 EU chats mentioned many times that Germany, its politicians and business leaders respected and loved doing business with the UK. They said exactly the same for the Netherlands and Nordic nations. A natural affinity of getting things done. Whereas the French were seen as obstinate, uncompromising in a bad way, with petty bureaucracies.

The first bit was heart warming. The factual nitty gritty. The antithesis of they’re our adversaries propaganda, from bad actors.

Surprisingly despite going on multiple people's vote marches and a former rabid remainer I'm not a re-joiner, I find those people unrealistic at this stage.

But we have to have a better trading relationship with the EU, anything other than the customs union is really piecemeal.

No trade deal signed to date has offered us much (government own figures), some are actually worse than the EU arrangement.

China trade deal - think forget it

India - more immigration? Politically a non starter

US - Biden isn't bothered and Trump would screw us over completely

 

[Weststander]

Surprisingly despite going on multiple people's vote marches and a former rabid remainer I'm not a re-joiner, I find those people unrealistic at this stage.

But we have to have a better trading relationship with the EU, anything other than the customs union is really piecemeal.

No trade deal signed to date has offered us much (government own figures), some are actually worse than the EU arrangement.

China trade deal - think forget it

India - more immigration? Politically a non starter

US - Biden isn't bothered and Trump would screw us over completely

My initial aspiration is for a trade/economic union. I realise that France and von der Leyen types will never grant Norway or Switzerland esque agreements, but I think something can be done. It won’t happen under this UK government as the party is riddled with EU haters.

 

[Pavilionaire]

No trade deal signed to date has offered us much (government own figures), some are actually worse than the EU arrangement.

China trade deal - think forget it

India - more immigration? Politically a non starter

US - Biden isn't bothered and Trump would screw us over completely

I think all of those factors were "known knowns' at the date of the Brexit Referendum (knowing that 5 months before the election Trump was always likely to win The White House.)

Even worse, anyone who understood the EU knew they weren't going to give us the Single Market for nothing. All that talk of "they need us more than we need them" was always complete hogwash.

 

[WATFORD zero]

The farce continues to get worse daily, with the Government throwing ever increasing amounts of money at it

'Absolute mess': New £24m Brexit border post could be demolished​

The facility at Portsmouth International Port is due to begin physical checks on food and plant imports from the EU at the end of next month, but changes to border protocols since it was built mean half of the building will never be used. As a consequence, half of the 14 loading bays will never be used, and annual running costs of £800,000 a year will not be covered by the fees charged to importers for carrying out checks.

Portsmouth is not alone, with ports across the country puzzling over how to make the over-sized, over-specified buildings commissioned by the government pay for themselves with far less traffic.

https://www.msn.com/en-gb/money/new...1&cvid=b7082de76ea74dbca0cdb0c39e22e55b&ei=22

It's just as well that the British economy is in such fine fettle with us having to subsidise this ongoing idiocy with ever increasing financial sums, because we definitely wouldn't want to call a halt to this escalating disaster, would we

 

[Pavilionaire]

The farce continues to get worse daily, with the Government throwing ever increasing amounts of money at it

'Absolute mess': New £24m Brexit border post could be demolished​

The facility at Portsmouth International Port is due to begin physical checks on food and plant imports from the EU at the end of next month, but changes to border protocols since it was built mean half of the building will never be used. As a consequence, half of the 14 loading bays will never be used, and annual running costs of £800,000 a year will not be covered by the fees charged to importers for carrying out checks.

Portsmouth is not alone, with ports across the country puzzling over how to make the over-sized, over-specified buildings commissioned by the government pay for themselves with far less traffic.

https://www.msn.com/en-gb/money/new...1&cvid=b7082de76ea74dbca0cdb0c39e22e55b&ei=22

It's just as well that the British economy is in such fine fettle with us having to subsidise this ongoing idiocy with ever increasing financial sums, because we definitely wouldn't want to call a halt to this escalating disaster, would we

I always thought this extra capacity was built because of the higher number of goods entering and leaving the UK as a result of these worldwide free trade deals we would be signing having finally been unshackled from the EU yolk.

 

[WATFORD zero]

I always thought this extra capacity was built because of the higher number of goods entering and leaving the UK as a result of these worldwide free trade deals we would be signing having finally been unshackled from the EU yolk.

And the extra money from all this new business was going to pay for the 100,000 extra civil servants that we have employed as a direct result of Brexit

Civil service nearly 100k bigger since Brexit but 'no clear vision' of policy, report warns​

https://www.lbc.co.uk/news/civil-service-nearly-100k-bigger-since-brexit/

There's no clear vision because Johnson and Sunak disbanded the Brexit department at the first opportunity and spread all the functions into the Cabinet Office, Home Office, Foreign Office and DEFRA to try and hide the huge costs.
Just another £3B every year to find for the administration of their 'brilliant' idea then

 

[Lever]

 

[Bakero]

EU woos Labour with freedom of movement deal

Europeans aged 18 to 30 would be able to work, travel and study in UK and vice versa

www.telegraph.co.uk

 

[WATFORD zero]

EU woos Labour with freedom of movement deal

Europeans aged 18 to 30 would be able to work, travel and study in UK and vice versa

www.telegraph.co.uk

I still remember David Davis turning up to negotiate Brexit with the EU with a brainless smile and f*** all else

Just imagine what could happen if we finally got some adults in charge.

 

[A1X]

Your quick reminder that in a couple of months nobody under the age of 26 was allowed a say in Brexit.

The tide will turn once they realise what we’re all missing.

 

[Eeyore]

EU woos Labour with freedom of movement deal

Europeans aged 18 to 30 would be able to work, travel and study in UK and vice versa

www.telegraph.co.uk

I can't see Labour agreeing to that. I think there is already a small scale thing available in reciprocal agreements.

 

[lawros left foot]

Border checks due to start on April 30 have been suspended again.


It seems Brexit works best when it’s not implemented.

 

[Hugo Rune]

Border checks due to start on April 30 have been suspended again.


It seems Brexit works best when it’s not implemented.

They are leaving them for Labour to sort knowing full well, it’s absolutely going to **** food prices and inflation. A ticking Brexit timebomb for the next administration or a handy excuse for Starmer to start reversing all this Brexit-Bullshit?

 

[WATFORD zero]

Border checks due to start on April 30 have been suspended again.


It seems Brexit works best when it’s not implemented.

And this totally predictable farce continues. You would have thought somebody may have pointed out years ago all the infrastructure, systems and staffing that would be required in order to implement the border controls that the EU implemented day one wouldn't you

But while this thread is on the front page, I may as well post this

UK drug shortages swell amid Brexit supply woes, think-tank data shows​

Drug shortages in the UK more than doubled between 2020 and 2023 with Brexit likely to "significantly weaken" the country's ability to tackle supply chain snags, according to a report published by the Nuffield Trust think-tank on Thursday. The increased shortages, including for key treatments such as antibiotics and epilepsy drugs, have also led to the government reimbursing pharmacies for buying drugs above their standard cost more frequently.

"But exiting the EU has left the UK with several additional problems – products no longer flow as smoothly across the borders with the EU, and in the long term, our struggles to approve as many medicines might mean we have fewer alternatives available." UK has been slower to approve new drugs than the EU, the report said. Of all 2023 approvals, 56 drugs authorised in Europe were approved later in the UK. Eight have not been approved, while only four were approved faster.

https://www.reuters.com/world/uk/uk-drug-shortages-swell-amid-brexit-supply-woes-think-tank-data-shows-2024-04-18/#:~:text=April 18 (Reuters) - Drug,Trust think-tank on Thursday.

Good luck to anyone on NSC who needs regular medication

 

[Simster]

I still remember David Davis turning up to negotiate Brexit with the EU with a brainless smile and f*** all else

Just imagine what could happen if we finally got some adults in charge.

Harsh.

He also had a pencil and an A5 notepad.

 

[The Clamp]

And this totally predictable farce continues. You would have thought somebody may have pointed out years ago all the infrastructure, systems and staffing that would be required in order to implement the border controls that the EU implemented day one wouldn't you

But while this thread is on the front page, I may as well post this

UK drug shortages swell amid Brexit supply woes, think-tank data shows​

Drug shortages in the UK more than doubled between 2020 and 2023 with Brexit likely to "significantly weaken" the country's ability to tackle supply chain snags, according to a report published by the Nuffield Trust think-tank on Thursday. The increased shortages, including for key treatments such as antibiotics and epilepsy drugs, have also led to the government reimbursing pharmacies for buying drugs above their standard cost more frequently.

"But exiting the EU has left the UK with several additional problems – products no longer flow as smoothly across the borders with the EU, and in the long term, our struggles to approve as many medicines might mean we have fewer alternatives available." UK has been slower to approve new drugs than the EU, the report said. Of all 2023 approvals, 56 drugs authorised in Europe were approved later in the UK. Eight have not been approved, while only four were approved faster.

https://www.reuters.com/world/uk/uk-drug-shortages-swell-amid-brexit-supply-woes-think-tank-data-shows-2024-04-18/#:~:text=April 18 (Reuters) - Drug,Trust think-tank on Thursday.

Good luck to anyone on NSC who needs regular medication

I take two regular meds. Was warned by a pharmacist friend l when I was first prescribed there will be many shortages due to Brexit in a couple of years (now).

I collected my prescriptions but didn’t start taking them for two months. Now I always have two months worth extra.

f***ing shameful this country has come to this.

 

[lawros left foot]

As someone with various health problems, I did post during the build up to the referendum that I was concerned that I wouldn’t be able to get the medication that I need to live.


Apparently, I was a bed wetting remoaner, who totally believed in project fear, and this would never happen.


I wish I could remember who posted that.

 

[maltaseagull]

As someone with various health problems, I did post during the build up to the referendum that I was concerned that I wouldn’t be able to get the medication that I need to live.


Apparently, I was a bed wetting remoaner, who totally believed in project fear, and this would never happen.


I wish I could remember who posted that.

There are some pedantic NSCers who will find it for you. (As long as it wasn´t one of them!)

PS. It wasn´t me!

 

[Lever]

 

[nicko31]

Post Brexit checks delayed for the 6th time

The EU was ready on 31st Jan 2020

UK will not ‘turn on’ post-Brexit checks of EU goods for fear of border delays

Industry groups say lack of clarity leaves businesses unsure how to manage new rules due to start on April 30

www.ft.com