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[Politics] Brexit
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- Jul 10, 2003
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Weststander
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Posting here as it's connected, rather than Rwanda type threads.
The government's new immigration criteria will crush the hospitality sector. From an expert in the sector, from 9:10.
I hope hotels etc are able to survive up to the next GE and that Labour promises to immediately assist the sector.
The government's new immigration criteria will crush the hospitality sector. From an expert in the sector, from 9:10.
I hope hotels etc are able to survive up to the next GE and that Labour promises to immediately assist the sector.
- Oct 12, 2022
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Larry Elliott has not been paying attention if he feels that nasty nationalism hasn’t become endemic in our political rhetoric.
Additionally, our standard of living has dropped significantly in the past few years. I have gone from a situation where I could go to a restaurant and/or enjoy a bottle of decent European wine to a place where I have had to think twice before putting the heating on. I’m not a trained sociologist, but this is not what success looks like to me.
My wages have stagnated with any increases being below inflation while prices have risen, an effective death by a thousand cuts.
Where I agree with him is that the rot set in post 2008, but to claim that the decline hasn’t accelerated post-Brexit and that everything’s fine is a peculiar form of blindness. Economists often have odd, inhuman notions of success and failure however. Their overall reasoning often seems to be “GDP number go up = success” - a spectacularly poor measure of how a country is treating its people.
- Oct 12, 2022
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As further evidence of the stupidity of our current political leaders:
Robert Jenrick insists UK workers will fill labour gaps after migration crackdown https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-67622998
The jobs that we’re reducing migration for are hard physical jobs (care, hotel work, fruit-picking)
The only unemployed cohort we have are those with health issues (the long-term sick) who this government believe can/will be able to work from home.
Now, tell me how you perform care work, pick fruit, or clean hotel rooms from home? Absolute hubris and idiocy, these fools have no clue.
Robert Jenrick insists UK workers will fill labour gaps after migration crackdown https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-67622998
The jobs that we’re reducing migration for are hard physical jobs (care, hotel work, fruit-picking)
The only unemployed cohort we have are those with health issues (the long-term sick) who this government believe can/will be able to work from home.
Now, tell me how you perform care work, pick fruit, or clean hotel rooms from home? Absolute hubris and idiocy, these fools have no clue.
nicko31
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You start watching and for the first minute you think its a piss take, sadly its not.
Yet most of our media are complicit and carry on as it if they did nothing wrong.
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Pavilionaire
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- Jul 7, 2003
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That's an interesting take, and not your bog standard, left of centre Guardian fare.
I think it shows how damaging the claims of George Osborn were about how quickly the economy would implode following Brexit. He didn't need to sensationalise the impact of Brexit, and the fact the economy didn't perform as badly as he'd predicted enabled Brexiteers to discredit 'Project Fear' and bought them time.
I also think that the European economy is sluggish - along with ours - because we are all still adjusting following Covid. Many people have Long Covid and other illnesses that have been aggravated by Covid, or are in the backlog still awaiting treatment following Covid. A lot of other people simply went home to their place of origin. That affects the labour market, production and efficiency.
I also think that many have realised that there is more to life than work and are not working as hard as they did pre-Covid. For many, Friday is the start of the weekend.
However, if Labour is to turn the situation around they don't have many levers they can pull, but one of them is to boost manufacturing by entering a Customs Union or rejoining the Single Market. That's not the same thing as rejoining the EU, and you would hope Starmer has the statesmanship to communicate and sell that to the electorate.
As we hear more of Labour in the build-up to the next GE I feel as though what changes they have planned will barely touch the sides of our problems. This is a 15-year lull that requires a Grand Plan. I don't see any evidence of a Grand Plan, just tinkering. The main thing Labour have going for them is they seem a more honest, likeable bunch.
- Jul 10, 2003
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From the COVID inquiry, it has now become blatantly obvious as to the state of this current cabal's ability to find it's arse from it's elbow during the Brexit negotiations and it's consequential 'Brilliant Brexit Deal'
Luckily, under the terms of this 'Brilliant Brexit Deal', The Trade and Cooperation Agreement is due for it's first review and renegotiation by the UK and EU in 2026 with no set terms of reference.
This will allow a large number of the current issues to be addressed by both sides in order to get back to a sensible trading base, Starmer to sell it as 'improving' the Brexit deal and allow all of those who voted for Brexit to claim that this was the Brexit they wanted all along whilst still not understanding any aspect of it. (Even if it has a whole lot in common with a Customs Union or Single Market
)And everyone's a winner.
OK everyone's slightly less of a loser if you want to be pedantic
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Has there ever been a point in history where so many ( Brexit voters) voted for an outcome (lower net migration) but got the absolute opposite?Taking Back Control
Net migration into UK in 2022 revised up to record-breaking figure of 745,000
Net migration hit a record-breaking 745,000 in 2022, according to revised figures from the Office for National Statistics, as its latest numbers showed 672,000 people came to the UK in the 12 months to June 2023.
https://news.sky.com/story/net-migration-rose-to-672-000-in-year-to-june-up-from-607-000-in-the-previous-year-latest-ons-figures-show-13013846#:~:text=Net migration hit a record,12 months to June 2023.
Those benefits are absolutely flooding in now
Of course, most of those Europeans coming to work in our Country pre-2018 went back home. Very few settled permanently. It’s a very different case with the vast majority of migrants now. They stay. For generations.
I read a comment in response to the Johnson Covid Inquiry questioning that I would struggle to criticise: in summary it says 'All those who voted Johnson into Office should be ashamed of themselves for the rest of their lives'. It was obviously an emotional outburst from a covid victim's relative but I would simply amend it by adding 'unless they recognise it as an error, regret it and resolve NEVER to act so foolishly again.....
Machiavelli
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Larry Elliott has been pro-Brexit since before the referendum, and is worth reading as it's important to assess the arguments of those you disagree with on an issue. He's an interesting commentator and was involved in the original Green New Deal group which was formed in 2007.
Machiavelli
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Brexit divergence from EU destroying UK’s vital environmental protections
Exclusive: Britain is falling behind the bloc on almost every area of green regulation, analysis reveals
www.theguardian.com
Well, quelle surprise
BrightonCottager
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Interesting graph, although I don't know why the numbers stay the same in future given the government are trying to reduce immigration by raising the minimum income. Also, when Radio 4's 'More or less' covered this, they said most students leave after they finish so the numbers go up and down.
- Jul 10, 2003
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I see that we are due to start implementing JRMs 'act of self harm' border controls that 'will increase costs for everyone' from the end of this month. Just as Inflation starts to come down, Brexit manages to f*** over the British economy once again
And just like everything else Brexit related, Northern Ireland has been forgotten completely again
https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/cw4m7j9zrgjo
Just think how bad this could be if so many hadn't voted to 'Get Brexit Done'
UK faces post-Brexit border disruption at end of January, Labour says
https://www.ft.com/content/3188a79b-9252-4ad3-99c8-21b24d6ba654New Brexit checks ‘pose existential threat’ to UK fruit and flower growers
https://www.theguardian.com/politic...ks-existential-threat-uk-fruit-flower-growersAnd just like everything else Brexit related, Northern Ireland has been forgotten completely again
'Significant changes' coming for Irish trade to GB
It is still unclear when Irish agri-food products will start to be physically inspected at Great Britain ports. The government is yet to clarify how it will discriminate between Irish and Northern Irish goods arriving from Northern Ireland ports without imposing any new bureaucracy on Northern Ireland businesses.https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/cw4m7j9zrgjo
Just think how bad this could be if so many hadn't voted to 'Get Brexit Done'
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- Oct 12, 2022
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Well, we’re reaping what we’ve sown with our decisions. I honestly thought Rishi would delay them again so it became whoever won the next election’s problem, and he could cynically try to blame Labour for the inevitable teething problems these will cause if they got in.
It’s going to be one hell of a mess to sort out by the time we get any adults in charge.
It’s going to be one hell of a mess to sort out by the time we get any adults in charge.
I see that we are due to start implementing JRMs 'act of self harm' border controls that 'will increase costs for everyone' from the end of this month. Just as Inflation starts to come down, Brexit manages to f*** over the British economy once again
UK faces post-Brexit border disruption at end of January, Labour says
https://www.ft.com/content/3188a79b-9252-4ad3-99c8-21b24d6ba654
New Brexit checks ‘pose existential threat’ to UK fruit and flower growers
https://www.theguardian.com/politic...ks-existential-threat-uk-fruit-flower-growers
Just think how bad this could be if so many hadn't voted to 'Get Brexit Done'
Yes, this was one of the cans that Johnson kicked down the road. The other is of course the border between us, Ulster and Ireland.
Johnson saw that the square peg would never fit in a round hole, so he just left the peg in a drawer for someone else to deal with at a later date. Brexit = political/cultural/economic vandalism. Maybe not today, but tomorrow for sure.
Anyway, we stopped the boats and are now more free.
If Sunk has any sense he will pull the roof in now, and blame Johnson. He might even win some votes if he does that.
- Oct 12, 2022
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Agreed, but his party believe the votes are to be had by veering further right (they’re wrong)
My wish is that they disappear so far up their own hard right fantasy arseholes they never see the light of day again, with only confirmed blackshirts voting for them.
However, we both just know that within 15 years they’ll be back, with a slightly charismatic friendly face promising that they’re now a completely different party to the clowns who ran the country into the ground for more than a decade.
What’s worse is that our mug voters, encouraged by the national press and having grown weary of a Labour government will believe them and vote them back in. Then we’ll do the whole sorry dance again.