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- Jun 13, 2020
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That's an interesting take, and not your bog standard, left of centre Guardian fare.
That's an interesting take, and not your bog standard, left of centre Guardian fare.
I think it shows how damaging the claims of George Osborn were about how quickly the economy would implode following Brexit. He didn't need to sensationalise the impact of Brexit, and the fact the economy didn't perform as badly as he'd predicted enabled Brexiteers to discredit 'Project Fear' and bought them time.
I also think that the European economy is sluggish - along with ours - because we are all still adjusting following Covid. Many people have Long Covid and other illnesses that have been aggravated by Covid, or are in the backlog still awaiting treatment following Covid. A lot of other people simply went home to their place of origin. That affects the labour market, production and efficiency.
I also think that many have realised that there is more to life than work and are not working as hard as they did pre-Covid. For many, Friday is the start of the weekend.
However, if Labour is to turn the situation around they don't have many levers they can pull, but one of them is to boost manufacturing by entering a Customs Union or rejoining the Single Market. That's not the same thing as rejoining the EU, and you would hope Starmer has the statesmanship to communicate and sell that to the electorate.
As we hear more of Labour in the build-up to the next GE I feel as though what changes they have planned will barely touch the sides of our problems. This is a 15-year lull that requires a Grand Plan. I don't see any evidence of a Grand Plan, just tinkering. The main thing Labour have going for them is they seem a more honest, likeable bunch.
Has there ever been a point in history where so many ( Brexit voters) voted for an outcome (lower net migration) but got the absolute opposite?Taking Back Control
Net migration into UK in 2022 revised up to record-breaking figure of 745,000
Net migration hit a record-breaking 745,000 in 2022, according to revised figures from the Office for National Statistics, as its latest numbers showed 672,000 people came to the UK in the 12 months to June 2023.
https://news.sky.com/story/net-migration-rose-to-672-000-in-year-to-june-up-from-607-000-in-the-previous-year-latest-ons-figures-show-13013846#:~:text=Net migration hit a record,12 months to June 2023.
Those benefits are absolutely flooding in now
Larry Elliott has been pro-Brexit since before the referendum, and is worth reading as it's important to assess the arguments of those you disagree with on an issue. He's an interesting commentator and was involved in the original Green New Deal group which was formed in 2007.That's an interesting take, and not your bog standard, left of centre Guardian fare.
I think it shows how damaging the claims of George Osborn were about how quickly the economy would implode following Brexit. He didn't need to sensationalise the impact of Brexit, and the fact the economy didn't perform as badly as he'd predicted enabled Brexiteers to discredit 'Project Fear' and bought them time.
I also think that the European economy is sluggish - along with ours - because we are all still adjusting following Covid. Many people have Long Covid and other illnesses that have been aggravated by Covid, or are in the backlog still awaiting treatment following Covid. A lot of other people simply went home to their place of origin. That affects the labour market, production and efficiency.
I also think that many have realised that there is more to life than work and are not working as hard as they did pre-Covid. For many, Friday is the start of the weekend.
However, if Labour is to turn the situation around they don't have many levers they can pull, but one of them is to boost manufacturing by entering a Customs Union or rejoining the Single Market. That's not the same thing as rejoining the EU, and you would hope Starmer has the statesmanship to communicate and sell that to the electorate.
As we hear more of Labour in the build-up to the next GE I feel as though what changes they have planned will barely touch the sides of our problems. This is a 15-year lull that requires a Grand Plan. I don't see any evidence of a Grand Plan, just tinkering. The main thing Labour have going for them is they seem a more honest, likeable bunch.
Interesting graph, although I don't know why the numbers stay the same in future given the government are trying to reduce immigration by raising the minimum income. Also, when Radio 4's 'More or less' covered this, they said most students leave after they finish so the numbers go up and down.Has there ever been a point in history where so many ( Brexit voters) voted for an outcome (lower net migration) but got the absolute opposite?
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Of course, most of those Europeans coming to work in our Country pre-2018 went back home. Very few settled permanently. It’s a very different case with the vast majority of migrants now. They stay. For generations.
Has there ever been a point in history where so many ( Brexit voters) voted for an outcome (lower net migration) but got the absolute opposite?
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Of course, most of those Europeans coming to work in our Country pre-2018 went back home. Very few settled permanently. It’s a very different case with the vast majority of migrants now. They stay. For generations.
I see that we are due to start implementing JRMs 'act of self harm' border controls that 'will increase costs for everyone' from the end of this month. Just as Inflation starts to come down, Brexit manages to f*** over the British economy once again
UK faces post-Brexit border disruption at end of January, Labour says
https://www.ft.com/content/3188a79b-9252-4ad3-99c8-21b24d6ba654
New Brexit checks ‘pose existential threat’ to UK fruit and flower growers
https://www.theguardian.com/politic...ks-existential-threat-uk-fruit-flower-growers
Just think how bad this could be if so many hadn't voted to 'Get Brexit Done'
If Sunk has any sense he will pull the roof in now, and blame Johnson. He might even win some votes if he does that.Well, we’re reaping what we’ve sown with our decisions. I honestly thought Rishi would delay them again so it became whoever won the next election’s problem, and he could cynically try to blame Labour for the inevitable teething problems these will cause if they got in.
It’s going to be one hell of a mess to sort out by the time we get any adults in charge.
If Sunk has any sense he will pull the roof in now, and blame Johnson. He might even win some votes if he does that.