[Politics] Brexit

[Randy McNob]

 

[Lever]

Interesting observation.....

 

[Guy Fawkes]

Interesting observation.....

Brexit wasn't simply defined as a Tory = Leave, Labour = remain and there were plenty on both sides who voted in the opposite way to that presumption

 

[Guy Fawkes]

Sadly we will never know the true effect of brexit, if other events hadn't also played a massive part in effecting the globe, from the pandemic to the war in Ukraine and the cost of living crisis that sparked

Workers over 50 encouraged to end early retirement

Older people who have given up work could be offered a "midlife MoT" to entice them back into employment.

www.bbc.co.uk

It follows a recent House of Lords committee finding that a wave of early retirement following the pandemic has caused a huge labour shortage.

The pandemic had a major impact on the economy, as many used it as an opportunity to change professions, and that led to shortages of labour in some sectors (which may have been left adequately staffed if the pandemic hadn't happened)
It means that trying to pin the blame on just one thing, like on Brexit, is pure speculation at best as a result

 

[Lever]

Brexit wasn't simply defined as a Tory = Leave, Labour = remain and there were plenty on both sides who voted in the opposite way to that presumption

Absolutely.... as suggested by the image on the right

 

[Lever]

Sadly we will never know the true effect of brexit, if other events hadn't also played a massive part in effecting the globe, from the pandemic to the war in Ukraine and the cost of living crisis that sparked

Workers over 50 encouraged to end early retirement

Older people who have given up work could be offered a "midlife MoT" to entice them back into employment.

www.bbc.co.uk

The pandemic had a major impact on the economy, as many used it as an opportunity to change professions, and that led to shortages of labour in some sectors (which may have been left adequately staffed if the pandemic hadn't happened)
It means that trying to pin the blame on just one thing, like on Brexit, is pure speculation at best as a result

I think we know know that Brexit has already had a significant adverse effect on the economy.... but as far as I am aware, most people would also agree other factors have played a part.....

 

[Lever]

Helpful interview for those that have understated the Brexit effect....

Advance warning... this is an expert so some Brexiters may not accept the assessment...

 

[Cheshire Cat]

2 years ago today Bojo delivered his great Christmas "Present" to the nation

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Can we give it back? It wasn't much use at the time.

 

[Wokeworrier]

Sadly we will never know the true effect of brexit, if other events hadn't also played a massive part in effecting the globe, from the pandemic to the war in Ukraine and the cost of living crisis that sparked

Workers over 50 encouraged to end early retirement

Older people who have given up work could be offered a "midlife MoT" to entice them back into employment.

www.bbc.co.uk

The pandemic had a major impact on the economy, as many used it as an opportunity to change professions, and that led to shortages of labour in some sectors (which may have been left adequately staffed if the pandemic hadn't happened)
It means that trying to pin the blame on just one thing, like on Brexit, is pure speculation at best as a result

If you wanted to make your eyes bleed and read all the daily contributions on this thread then you would realise blaming Brexit for all our woes/absolutely everything is the only thing that gets the usual suspects out of bed in the morning...

'A fanatic is one who can't change his mind and won't change the subject'

Winston Churchill

 

[BadFish]

If you wanted to make your eyes bleed and read all the daily contributions on this thread then you would realise blaming Brexit for all our woes/absolutely everything is the only thing that gets the usual suspects out of bed in the morning...

'A fanatic is one who can't change his mind and won't change the subject'

Winston Churchill

I know right despite all the clearly expressed Brexit benefits people are still trying to suggest it is a bit shit. It is clearly these that are fanatical about it rather than those who haven't changed their minds dispute not being able to point at any benefits.

 

[Guy Fawkes]

I know right despite all the clearly expressed Brexit benefits people are still trying to suggest it is a bit shit. It is clearly these that are fanatical about it rather than those who haven't changed their minds dispute not being able to point at any benefits.

There are those that would gain, and those that would lose, and some who will have noticed no difference if Brexit had been able to play out without the other global events impacting global economies.

Take this story for example: https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/picker-shortage-threatens-1-daffodils-8tl9wmcl9
A farmer is struggling to recruit workers whilst paying them at a low enough rate to maintain a £1 price point. These employees that the farmer is seeking will potentially be amongst the lowest paid, The removal of cheap EU foreign labour would have been to reduce the surplus supply of cheap labour for these types of roles, and therefore help to boost the wages of the lowest earners as their potential employers would have to pay them more to encourage them to work for them to pick his crop. A pattern that would be repeated in many an industry

This would directly benefit low income households, boosting their incomes and meaning they would be less likely to require handouts, or foodbanks to get by.
But some only see it from the other viewpoint, that the loss of that cheap labour will mean a loss of cheap goods and services from which they benefit, without ever making the leap to who would likely benefit from this change. Mainly those living in low wage areas that are more affected by this and actually voted for Brexit whereas areas like Sussex, where most of our members are from, are not in that demographic so fail to see any potential benefit (to them, so there can't be any)

The pandemic changed so much, from who people worked, with many changing industries, and leaving the sectors they were in before all together, throiugh to remote working, which in turn affected the housing market where more moved to the countryside rather than stay in locations near where their offices were. Many who were placed in furlough found other employment. This massive upheaval to working life that it caused will have, of course, affected how Brexit would have impacted the country, and to try to measure the effects of brexit after the pandemic is a bit like trying to see the effect of a new fertalizer you've used on your crops for the first time, looking to see if it has improved the yields, etc, but before you can measure this, your farmland has been hit and the crops are mostly destroyed by a hurricane. Those opposed to the new fertalizer will look to the harvested crops and claim that the fertalizer didn't work as the low yield is proof
The truth is that now, thanks to the pandemic, how this would have played out can't be truly measured

 

[BadFish]

There are those that would gain, and those that would lose, and some who will have noticed no difference if Brexit had been able to play out without the other global events impacting global economies.

Take this story for example: https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/picker-shortage-threatens-1-daffodils-8tl9wmcl9
A farmer is struggling to recruit workers whilst paying them at a low enough rate to maintain a £1 price point. These employees that the farmer is seeking will potentially be amongst the lowest paid, The removal of cheap EU foreign labour would have been to reduce the surplus supply of cheap labour for these types of roles, and therefore help to boost the wages of the lowest earners as their potential employers would have to pay them more to encourage them to work for them to pick his crop. A pattern that would be repeated in many an industry

This would directly benefit low income households, boosting their incomes and meaning they would be less likely to require handouts, or foodbanks to get by.
But some only see it from the other viewpoint, that the loss of that cheap labour will mean a loss of cheap goods and services from which they benefit, without ever making the leap to who would likely benefit from this change. Mainly those living in low wage areas that are more affected by this and actually voted for Brexit whereas areas like Sussex, where most of our members are from, are not in that demographic so fail to see any potential benefit (to them, so there can't be any)

The pandemic changed so much, from who people worked, with many changing industries, and leaving the sectors they were in before all together, throiugh to remote working, which in turn affected the housing market where more moved to the countryside rather than stay in locations near where their offices were. Many who were placed in furlough found other employment. This massive upheaval to working life that it caused will have, of course, affected how Brexit would have impacted the country, and to try to measure the effects of brexit after the pandemic is a bit like trying to see the effect of a new fertalizer you've used on your crops for the first time, looking to see if it has improved the yields, etc, but before you can measure this, your farmland has been hit and the crops are mostly destroyed by a hurricane. Those opposed to the new fertalizer will look to the harvested crops and claim that the fertalizer didn't work as the low yield is proof
The truth is that now, thanks to the pandemic, how this would have played out can't be truly measured

That story literally says that Brexit is causing a shortage of cheap labour, meaning that some of the daffodils may be left to rot in that field because of that shortage.

I am not convinced that this is actually a benefit. Hopefully it will lead to higher wages but that isn't really discussed in the article.

 

[Guy Fawkes]

That story literally says that Brexit is causing a shortage of cheap labour, meaning that some of the daffodils may be left to rot in that field because of that shortage.

I am not convinced that this is actually a benefit. Hopefully it will lead to higher wages but that isn't really discussed in the article.

Depends if you look at it as
a) farmer will have to pay more to get enough staff to pick his crop, by paing more in wages
or b) it's better to lose his crop to maintain his price point, and would they continue to do that year after year
- Clearly the farmer in question there is wanting cheap labour back, which shows the impact of that cheap labour on the jobs market and the suppression wage inflation for low wage paying jobs, and that brexit was putting pressure on these low payers to have to pay more in wages to attract enough workers

Basically the reduction in cheap labour would mean that there was more competition between potential employers and one way they could ensure that they can find staff to fill their roles, would be through paying higher wages (low demand for labour and high supply of cheap labour = little or no inflationary pressure for wages in those roles. High demand for labour and low numbers of potential employees they can recruit = wage inflationary pressure for these roles. Basic supply and demand

 

[BadFish]

Depends if you look at it as
a) farmer will have to pay more to get enough staff to pick his crop, by paing more in wages
or b) it's better to lose his crop to maintain his price point, and would they continue to do that year after year
- Clearly the farmer in question there is wanting cheap labour back, which shows the impact of that cheap labour on the jobs market and the suppression wage inflation for low wage paying jobs, and that brexit was putting pressure on these low payers to have to pay more in wages to attract enough workers

Basically the reduction in cheap labour would mean that there was more competition between potential employers and one way they could ensure that they can find staff to fill their roles, would be through paying higher wages (low demand for labour and high supply of cheap labour = little or no inflationary pressure for wages in those roles. High demand for labour and low numbers of potential employees they can recruit = wage inflationary pressure for these roles. Basic supply and demand

Will be amazing if it happens and I really hope it does. Wage levels don't seem to be something that is increasing particularly fast but maybe that will change.

I wonder if these daffodils have already been priced too. Often with these farms the price from the retailer has already been agreed. If this is the case the farmer has no room to put wages up without making a loss. Hence the suggestion that some of the flowers will be left to rot in the field. Maybe the workers will have to wait for next year to see this improvement.

 

[southstandandy]

We need a new referendum to rejoin.

 

[Swansman]

We need a new referendum to rejoin.

Maybe rather than jumping in and out every time things are a bit wonky, you could just rejoin the EFTA to be part of the EEA along with Iceland, Norway and Liechtenstein. Allows you to be part of the European single market while not having to deal with the decrease in sovereignty that a EU membership means.

 

[Lever]

If you wanted to make your eyes bleed and read all the daily contributions on this thread then you would realise blaming Brexit for all our woes/absolutely everything is the only thing that gets the usual suspects out of bed in the morning...

'A fanatic is one who can't change his mind and won't change the subject'

Winston Churchill

...but alternatively, for those who chose to celebrate the dubious achievements of Brexit so loudly....



Happy Christmas to all!

 

[Kinky Gerbil]

The woman in blue is dense

 

[Randy McNob]

get this, they can't make ministers cars (for the Brexit cheerleading government) in the UK because of brexit supply chain issues, so a German company (Audi) gets the gig . Taking back control....

 

[Lever]

get this, they can't make ministers cars (for the Brexit cheerleading government) in the UK because of brexit supply chain issues, so a German company (Audi) gets the gig . Taking back control....

Simultaneously funny and tragic.....