[Politics] Brexit

[LamieRobertson]

Monaco isn't in the EU but does have a relationship with the EU, by sending an Ambassador to Brussels. Therefore not a valid arguement.

ONE DAY, just one day, the French were late because of an accident, and you are blaming them for every delay. Don't you realise how ridiculous that sounds?

The British government rejected a proposal to double the passport booths at Dover. Whose fault was that? The Transport Secretary, Grayling?

https://www.thelondoneconomic.com/p...uble-passport-booths-at-dover-in-2020-330342/

Article in the FT as well backing that

https://www.ft.com/content/2a6662a0-975e-4bcd-9f5b-e241256db4df

 

[Herr Tubthumper]

No, of course not, and I think from your post that I have a better understanding of trade agreements than you do. There has never been a free trade agreement where only one side gets the free trade and the other side gets no benefit at all. the idea of a free trade agreement is that both parties get free access to each others' markets and both parties benefit as a result. I would have thought this was do-able, with the EU as well as with other countries.

I'm really sorry but you must be living in cloud-cuckoo land if you think the EU were going to give the UK a free-trade agreement. There's huge advantages to free-trade with the EU and this will clearly come at a cost and with compromise. It would also be totally unfair/economically destabalising to all other countries within the EU if the UK got all the benefits without any of the cost not to mention other countries which have agreements with the EU.

 

[Thunder Bolt]

If the French customs are unable to cope with the number of tourists visiting France, then the only two ways to solve it are by increasing the productivity of the customs officers or by reducing the numbers of tourists.

And stop banging on about the rejection of a plan to build extra booths in 2020. Why is that relevant? The booths have been built - how would it have helped to build them two years ago instead of this year?

Double the number built two years ago would mean double the number of passengers getting through. French customs do cope with tourists very well, but Dover, just Dover has a problem with excessive delays.
How do you increase productivity without the booths for customs to be in complete with computers?

Why did Grayling turn down that proposal two years ago? Raab didn't even realise that Dover/Calais was such an important route. It is British incompetency.

Eurotunnel sometimes has delays at busy times, Portsmouth rarely, and Plymouth hardly at all.

 

[LamieRobertson]

If the French customs are unable to cope with the number of tourists visiting France, then the only two ways to solve it are by increasing the productivity of the customs officers or by reducing the numbers of tourists.

And stop banging on about the rejection of a plan to build extra booths in 2020. Why is that relevant? The booths have been built - how would it have helped to build them two years ago instead of this year?

https://www.itv.com/news/meridian/2...er-control-booths-in-attempt-to-reduce-delays

Didn’t seem to help much

 

[Thunder Bolt]

It's an agreement, not a free trade agreement, with lots of conditions in place that work against the UK. If it was free trade, then what's the point of all these checks across the Irish Sea? Why is the EU so bothered about the possibility of goods getting from England to Ireland if there's free trade?

Goods include foodstuffs which can cause disease. Potato blight, swine fever, foot and mouth disease etc etc
Checks and balances.

 

[faoileán]

I'm really sorry but you must be living in cloud-cuckoo land if you think the EU were going to give the UK a free-trade agreement. There's huge advantages to free-trade with the EU and this will clearly come at a cost and with compromise. It would also be totally unfair/economically destabalising to all other countries within the EU if the UK got all the benefits without any of the cost not to mention other countries which have agreements with the EU.

Sadly cloud-cuckoo land is where you need to go to acquire any benefits from Brexit...

 

[dsr-burnley]

Article in the FT as well backing that

https://www.ft.com/content/2a6662a0-975e-4bcd-9f5b-e241256db4df

And if you go back far enough you can find an article where the government refuses to build the Channel tunnel. But it isn't relevant to delays crossing the channel because they built it since.

Please, forget about articles complaining that the government should have increased the numbers of booths to 10 in 2020. There are 10 now. It might have given people a happy feeling if they had been built a bit sooner, but I don't see how it affects the delays.

 

[Thunder Bolt]

https://www.itv.com/news/meridian/2...er-control-booths-in-attempt-to-reduce-delays

Didn’t seem to help much

Doug Bannister the CEO of the port of Dover blames Brexit. He would know more than anybody.
https://www.lbc.co.uk/opinion/dover-port-boss-brexit-delays-travel-chaos/

 

[dsr-burnley]

Goods include foodstuffs which can cause disease. Potato blight, swine fever, foot and mouth disease etc etc
Checks and balances.

Did swine fever, foot and mouth disease, and so on, travel differently when we were in the single market? I don't see why those particular regulations should change.

 

[Bold Seagull]

It's an agreement, not a free trade agreement, with lots of conditions in place that work against the UK. If it was free trade, then what's the point of all these checks across the Irish Sea? Why is the EU so bothered about the possibility of goods getting from England to Ireland if there's free trade?

You're wooshing me aren't you?

 

[Thunder Bolt]

And if you go back far enough you can find an article where the government refuses to build the Channel tunnel. But it isn't relevant to delays crossing the channel because they built it since.

Please, forget about articles complaining that the government should have increased the numbers of booths to 10 in 2020. There are 10 now. It might have given people a happy feeling if they had been built a bit sooner, but I don't see how it affects the delays.

Margaret Thatcher wanted a road tunnel but that was turned down as unsafe. It was agreed it would be via trains.
https://www.bbc.com/future/article/20170823-the-channel-tunnel-that-never-was-built

She was very pro Europe, as the instigator of the Single Market

 

[dsr-burnley]

I'm really sorry but you must be living in cloud-cuckoo land if you think the EU were going to give the UK a free-trade agreement. There's huge advantages to free-trade with the EU and this will clearly come at a cost and with compromise. It would also be totally unfair/economically destabalising to all other countries within the EU if the UK got all the benefits without any of the cost not to mention other countries which have agreements with the EU.

I was proposing that, on one side, the EU gets free access to the UK market, and on the other side, the UK gets free access to the EU market. It isn't all benefit one way. It's mutual benefit.

 

[LamieRobertson]

Doug Bannister the CEO of the port of Dover blames Brexit. He would know more than anybody.
https://www.lbc.co.uk/opinion/dover-port-boss-brexit-delays-travel-chaos/

Yes I saw that …fair point…I also understand that not all the booths were manned ..a factor yes?

 

[Tom Hark Preston Park]

Much as I feel sorry for individual holidaymakers in high season, I feel much more for the pain of exporters of perishable goods whose businesses must be teetering on the edge of disaster on a near-daily basis. Nightmare!

 

[LamieRobertson]

Margaret Thatcher wanted a road tunnel but that was turned down as unsafe. It was agreed it would be via trains.
https://www.bbc.com/future/article/20170823-the-channel-tunnel-that-never-was-built

She was very pro Europe, as the instigator of the Single Market
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Mind issuing a warning before posting photos of that nature

 

[dsr-burnley]

You're wooshing me aren't you?

Free trade within in the EU meant that there was no obstacle to importing or anything between Ireland and the UK. Now, there is an obstacle.

 

[Thunder Bolt]

Did swine fever, foot and mouth disease, and so on, travel differently when we were in the single market? I don't see why those particular regulations should change.

The checks were done before imports into Britain. Now there are no checks.

Northern Ireland is in the Single Market and more importantly, to this discussion, the Customs Union therefore importing from Britain has to be checked,

I think you are trolling now.

 

[Trufflehound]

Incidentally, I have twice entered France from outside the Schengen area without any of this kerfuffle about return tickets and cash in hand. Once from Monaco, which they choose for convenience to treat as if it was Schengen, and once in St Maarten/St Martin, which was border-free presumably for the same reason. If they are asking all these questions it's not because it's strictly necessary under international or domestic law, it's because for whatever reason they have chosen to as a matter of policy.

Crossing the St Maarten/St Martin border is simply moving from one EU Member State to another EU Member State. Why would there be any "kerfuffle"?

 

[Thunder Bolt]

Mind issuing a warning before posting photos of that nature

Sorry, I thought it might bring Mr Conservative of Burnley to his senses but he's just trolling.

 

[Thunder Bolt]

Yes I saw that …fair point…I also understand that not all the booths were manned ..a factor yes?

As I said, it was just Friday when French workers were delayed coming out of the Tunnel to get to Dover.

The booths were fully manned on Sat and Sun and still queues.