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If there was a second Brexit referendum how would you vote?


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vegster

Sanity Clause
May 5, 2008
28,272
Interesting article here from the Observer, parts of this have been mentioned recently by contributors here.

" Anticipating this EU move to calm everything down, however, Frost and Johnson chose to pre-empt the solutions by creating a new problem, one they know to be insoluble. They have hyped up an issue that no one in business or trade in Northern Ireland gives a damn about: the role of the European court of justice (ECJ) in any potential disputes about the interpretation of EU law. Deprived of the movement of sausages as a casus belli, they grasped another dubious foodstuff – the red herring.

The role of the ECJ in relation to the protocol is so vital that Frost and Johnson apparently forgot about it for 21 months. Johnson agreed to – and hailed as a triumph – the withdrawal agreement in October 2019. The alleged concern about the ECJ emerged suddenly in the “command paper” published by Frost on 21 July this year. On Thursday, the Irish taoiseach, Micheál Martin, confirmed that Johnson had never once raised it in their discussions about the protocol. Yet we’re supposed to believe that this is a red line, a matter – unlike, say, keeping your word – of the highest principle. The UK government has developed a variant on Groucho Marx: these are our principles and if you don’t agree to fight us on them, we have others that we can provoke you with.

The only reason for dragging the ECJ into the arena now is that it is one issue on which the EU cannot ultimately yield. There are many layers of dispute resolution mechanisms already available within the withdrawal agreement and they can all be used intelligently if there is a will to do so. But the EU is held together by its laws – and the ECJ is the institution that underpins them. That cannot change.

Frost is well aware of the futility of his demands – indeed, it is the whole point of his Lisbon performance. Instead of declaring victory, accepting the EU’s munificent offers and turning down the heat in Northern Ireland, he and Johnson prefer to make an impossible demand so that they can blame the EU for rejecting it."

https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2021/oct/17/facing-chaos-and-needing-a-scapegoat-the-tories-seek-endless-fight-with-europe
 










WATFORD zero

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NSC Patron
Jul 10, 2003
27,766
It appears that there have been tons and tons of pennies dropping lately

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And in the most unlikely of places :lolol:

Under 60 seconds for the thumbs up and reply, how many hours have you been waiting for me to logon today :wink:
 














Garry Nelson's teacher

Well-known member
May 11, 2015
5,257
Bloody Worthing!
This headline in, of all places the Daily Fail, made me smile (a sentence I never thought I'd write):

'Parents would rather call a baby Lucifer than Nigel.'

So not only had Farage and his Brexit pals damaged the British brand, but they've also managed to damage the 'Nigel' one too.
 


WATFORD zero

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NSC Patron
Jul 10, 2003
27,766
Have our little Brexiteer crew had a meeting and decided that [MENTION=11191]Pretty pink fairy[/MENTION] is the best informed, knowledgeable and erudite amongst them to represent all their views going forward on this thread ?

Because I can't believe they would have run away in the face of the torrent of FACTS being unleashed daily about the effects of Brexit :lolol:
 




A1X

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NSC Patron
Sep 1, 2017
20,537
Deepest, darkest Sussex
Have our little Brexiteer crew had a meeting and decided that [MENTION=11191]Pretty pink fairy[/MENTION] is the best informed, knowledgeable and erudite amongst them to represent all their views going forward on this thread ?

Because I can't believe they would have run away in the face of the torrent of FACTS being unleashed daily about the effects of Brexit :lolol:

I haven't heard about a couple of chaps being employed to put up a new bike shed or someone being hired to paint the white cliffs of Dover in BOOMING BRITAIN for ages now.
 


sparkie

Well-known member
Jul 17, 2003
13,267
Hove
Have our little Brexiteer crew had a meeting and decided that [MENTION=11191]Pretty pink fairy[/MENTION] is the best informed, knowledgeable and erudite amongst them to represent all their views going forward on this thread ?

Because I can't believe they would have run away in the face of the torrent of FACTS being unleashed daily about the effects of Brexit [emoji38]ol:
Please don't GOAD the 5 Boresmen of the Brexit Apocalypse into posting more nonsense.

The thing is, Brexit in theory could work reasonably well, maybe have some benefit in removing a tier of Government, but the disaster has been Johnson's absolute PIG'S EAR of an implementation.

And one day we'll return to the promised sunlit uplands of the Single Market, I am sure of it.
 


A1X

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NSC Patron
Sep 1, 2017
20,537
Deepest, darkest Sussex
Please don't GOAD the 5 Boresmen of the Brexit Apocalypse into posting more nonsense.

The thing is, Brexit in theory could work reasonably well, maybe have some benefit in removing a tier of Government, but the disaster has been Johnson's absolute PIG'S EAR of an implementation.

And one day we'll return to the promised sunlit uplands of the Single Market, I am sure of it.

It was the argument I made several times to people who backed No Deal, and it applies just as well to this absolutely terrible deal, that a bad Brexit outcome simply makes "Bre-entry" more likely in some form, and sooner rather than later. Those who confidently predict Brexit is forever are no different to those who spent the previous 40 years claiming membership was forever.
 




WATFORD zero

Well-known member
NSC Patron
Jul 10, 2003
27,766
Please don't GOAD the 5 Boresmen of the Brexit Apocalypse into posting more nonsense.

The thing is, Brexit in theory could work reasonably well, maybe have some benefit in removing a tier of Government, but the disaster has been Johnson's absolute PIG'S EAR of an implementation.

And one day we'll return to the promised sunlit uplands of the Single Market, I am sure of it.

As I've mentioned before, I'm not a betting man, but

If someone told me that the NSC hierarchy/mods had found a new way of identifying duplicate accounts and that coincided with the disappearance of a few regular posters on this thread, any sensible person would invest a few quid in that, wouldn't they :wink:
 






nicko31

Well-known member
Jan 7, 2010
18,574
Gods country fortnightly
NZ its a country 12,000 miles from home and represents just 0.2% of UK trade

But this tiny trade deal weighted "you guessed it" in NZ's favour is another blow for our farmers..

https://www.politics.co.uk/news/202...ness-by-new-zealand-free-trade-deal-says-nfu/

When will a post Brexit trade deal ever deliver a post Brexit trade benefit to these isles?

Even when we're the senior partner we always come off worse...
 




Baldseagull

Well-known member
Jan 26, 2012
11,839
Crawley
More Brexit good news, for one company.

https://www.express.co.uk/news/poli...-johnson-northern-ireland-protocol-article-16

Unsurprisingly, now EU imports are subject to customs duty, we need more bonded warehouse space. I really don't recall bonded warehouses operators being touted as being under threat by Brexit, but apparently it's evidence that project fear has been dismantled. Failing to point out the additional expense to the importer and the end customer of having to use bonded warehousing and pay import duty, not to mention the additional red tape. These feckers, still conning people.
 


Jan 30, 2008
31,981
NZ its a country 12,000 miles from home and represents just 0.2% of UK trade

But this tiny trade deal weighted "you guessed it" in NZ's favour is another blow for our farmers..

https://www.politics.co.uk/news/202...ness-by-new-zealand-free-trade-deal-says-nfu/

When will a post Brexit trade deal ever deliver a post Brexit trade benefit to these isles?

Even when we're the senior partner we always come off worse...

Nothing like a bit of bad news

https://youtu.be/fAJF16WDCok

Regards
DF
 


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