[Politics] Brexit

[Is it PotG?]

whats wrong with a bus ? if it was good enuogh for Reg varney it is good enough for me

Regards

DF

Wasn't he the first person in the UK to use a cashpoint?

 

[Pretty pink fairy]

Well I'm not one that is blaming it completely on Brexit, but putting a hard Brexit on top of broader issues is a tipping point. It was obvious the UK government was never ready for Brexit, take customs controls the Dutch were ready, the French were ready, we weren't so we have an open customs border at Dover for the foreseeable. What was the point of Brexit if trade sanctions are only imposed one-way? As a result many British businesses have been thrown under the bus, EU businesses have more time to adjust

There are driver shortages in Europe too, but I don't see empty shelves in France, Germany or even Ireland, let alone fuel shortages. It a weak government at the best of times, Covid and Brexit together too much.

Have you been to those countries or are you relying on hear say again
Regards
DF

 

[A1X]

Have you been to those countries or are you relying on hear say again
Regards
DF

I have relatives in Belgium who have said that the only shop over there which they've seen empty shelves in in recent times is the M&S in Brussels.

 

[nicko31]

I have relatives in Belgium who have said that the only shop over there which they've seen empty shelves in in recent times is the M&S in Brussels.

I heard Stonemanor in Belgium a British chain in Belgium had empty shelves, but apparently the Irish stepped in to cover their shortfall

 

[Randy McNob]

So why is there a shortage of drivers in Europe?

The ability to try and blame Brexit fully for everything is pretty impressive, I say that as someone who voted to stay.

don't worry, I think these lorry drivers are just waiting until they get enough Australian style points then they'll falling over themselves to drive in the UK

 

[Herr Tubthumper]

 

[Lever]

So why is there a shortage of drivers in Europe?

The ability to try and blame Brexit fully for everything is pretty impressive, I say that as someone who voted to stay.

Weren't we assured that Brexit would make things better though? Looks like millions of Leave Voters were misled.... or deluded themselves.

Anyway, I think this is a fair assessment of where we are now with trade, and no one can claim we were not warned.....

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9t87BoQf22M

 

[Lever]

I have relatives in Belgium who have said that the only shop over there which they've seen empty shelves in in recent times is the M&S in Brussels.

i have heard the same from friends in Belgium....

 

[Lever]

I have relatives in Belgium who have said that the only shop over there which they've seen empty shelves in in recent times is the M&S in Brussels.

Now you're baffling him with the truth!

 

[Kinky Gerbil]

Weren't we assured that Brexit would make things better though? Looks like millions of Leave Voters were misled.... or deluded themselves.

Anyway, I think this is a fair assessment of where we are now with trade, and no one can claim we were not warned.....

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9t87BoQf22M

Which of course is rubbish and is being shown up to be rubbish every day.

But this still isn’t all Brexit

 

[Pretty pink fairy]

Weren't we assured that Brexit would make things better though? Looks like millions of Leave Voters were misled.... or deluded themselves.

Anyway, I think this is a fair assessment of where we are now with trade, and no one can claim we were not warned.....

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9t87BoQf22M

If you think all this is long term Mr lever I'd suggest you're the deluded one
Regards
DF

 

[Pretty pink fairy]

I have relatives in Belgium who have said that the only shop over there which they've seen empty shelves in in recent times is the M&S in Brussels.

You didn't mention Belgium
Regards
DF

 

[Lever]

Which of course is rubbish and is being shown up to be rubbish every day.

But this still isn’t all Brexit

I know...

Brexit was just the avoidable bit.

 

[Herr Tubthumper]

“They’re is nothing an independent United Kingdom can’t do” - Micheal Gove

 

[JC Footy Genius]

We also had a load of Europeans (and outside) go home because of the shutdown - I work with a couple

You also had the pettiness of the driver testing from France and the UK

Brexit is playing a part, but lockdowns have played a bigger part in my view

You also have the third option - Drivers are treated like dirt

A refreshing point of view, benefitting from being accurate and free from the radicalised nonsense usually seen on this tragic thread.

Unfortunately we have several people continually, deliberately, conflating the effects of Covid with Brexit, as they need their daily fix of doommongering/I told you so. Without Covid, driver shortages would have been far more manageable and actually welcomed as rising wages and better conditions were only ever likely to be achieved once the constant flow of cheap labour from Europe was stopped. A similar effect can also be seen across other sectors reinforcing this point. Fortunately, as we now have more control of our borders we can adjust our immigration policies to best suit our needs rather than continually swamping the jobs market with cheap Labour. A temporary relaxation may be needed until the effects of Covid (on hiring newly qualified Uk drivers on better pay and conditions) subsides.










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[Baker lite]

Post Brexit Britain is booming.
https://twitter.com/shelltop8/status/1441442953235402755?s=21
Go go global Britain.


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[Lever]

If you think all this is long term Mr lever I'd suggest you're the deluded one
Regards
DF

My goodness, your mind is truly locked and bolted.

Liam Fox will be pleased....

EU trade deal 'easiest in human history'
Coming to a free trade agreement with the EU should be "one of the easiest in human history" because our rules and laws are already the same, the international trade secretary has said.

So will Daniel Hannan....

"Five years from now Britain will be flourishing as never before" 2016
But don't do their dirty work for them now and attempt to delude others. It's enough for you to live in your own 'sunlit uplands' alternative reality.....

 

[Lever]

Post Brexit Britain is booming.
https://twitter.com/shelltop8/status/1441442953235402755?s=21
Go go global Britain.


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Mixed messages then.....

Ian Ross on twitter.....
'We (the UK) are a laughing stock and viewed as fools.....'

 

[Kinky Gerbil]

I know...

Brexit was just the avoidable bit.

I know...

Brexit was just the avoidable bit.

I would say a great number of the reason are avoidable.

Building proper stops for drivers
Having a plan in place for the missed tests
Raising the wages
Listening to the reasons drivers are leaving
Fix the insurance expense for new drivers which stops companies hiring them

 

[Lever]

I would say a great number of the reason are avoidable.

Building proper stops for drivers
Having a plan in place for the missed tests
Raising the wages
Listening to the reasons drivers are leaving
Fix the insurance expense for new drivers which stops companies hiring them

Good points.

These are certainly ways to start fixing it. As per the thread title though I am focused on a choice 'we' made that contributed to causing it....

Any suggestions for solving that part?