[Politics] Brexit

[PILTDOWN MAN]

He isn't even an MP.

No and about the only MEP anyone has heard of.

 

[sussex_guy2k2]

Is it that Birdwatch thing with Michaela Strachan?

Michaela Strachan, you broke my heart, Michaela Strachan, you tore me apart...

 

[The Clamp]

Farage will..

Uhm, how?

 

[Seagull58]

There's really no probably about it. With 48% voting to stay in the EU, it's pretty obvious that over 50% would like to keep the trade and free movement.

Would have been handy, but maybe too complicated. Don't forget the leavers are brain dead.

I'm not convinced you are right on the free movement. I'm sure the majority of people who voted either way are in favour of visa-free travel throughout the EU and the UK but the unfettered free movement of labour, with the right to healthcare, housing and other benefits is a completely different matter. I would be surprised if there was an absolute majority in favour of that.

 

[c0lz]

I'm not talking about another ref, I'm talking about the idea that no politician is going to activate article 50

Do you really believe that ?

 

[Blue Valkyrie]

He will be...

And even then won't have the power to do so...

 

[Motogull]

From the BBC website:

"It could either be a letter to the president of the European Council or an official statement at a meeting of the European Council duly noted in the official records of the meeting."

Can Nige do the latter as a MEP?

 

[GoldWithFalmer]

Uhm, how?

Not in the short term....so I retract and admit he cannot activate article 50 I was wrong.....but he could become an MP

 

[Blue Valkyrie]

From the BBC website:

"It could either be a letter to the president of the European Council or an official statement at a meeting of the European Council duly noted in the official records of the meeting."

Can Nige do the latter as a MEP?

No he can't.

 

[GoldWithFalmer]

And even then won't have the power to do so...

Correct-see bellow postal admission.....

 

[Green Cross Code Man]

One of the Brexit MPs has come out and said they don't have a plan

How can they have a plan? They were not trying to form a government. The question was whether to stay in or leave. It is up to the incumbent government to sort things out. That was a fact from the word go.

 

[Blue Valkyrie]

Had enough of this for today.

France v Eire looking interesting

 

[Seagull58]

The point I was making that a General Election would be needed to create a legislative body with members that are directly accountable to the electorate on this major issue and that is best placed to deliver the process. This can best be done by having an election with parties (presumably Conservative and UKIP) running with a manifesto containing specific pledges relating to the Brexit process. Currently most MPS actually opposed Leave. In the case of all local and general elections make pledges and promises and , if elected, can be punished at the ballot box if they fail to deliver or are shown to have mis-sold something. This essential level of democratic accountability does not exist for referendums like this. If the NHS 350m promise turns out to have been a lie, well you bought it; no refunds/no returns. If such promises form part of an election pledge they have more weight.

My point about a party running on a remain ticket was that if this was the case and there was a clear and unambiguous vote in their favour that might be an indication of a change of view or circumstance. I am not quite sure where it would lead but at least it will have been as the result of some democratic process. Personally I think that to be in this situation we would need to have a Labour Party operating as a much more effective unit than they are right now.

The government called a referendum and got the answer. Now they must deliver on that answer. No need for a general election or a new legislative body.

 

[Triggaaar]

I'm not convinced you are right on the free movement. I'm sure the majority of people who voted either way are in favour of visa-free travel throughout the EU and the UK but the unfettered free movement of labour, with the right to healthcare, housing and other benefits is a completely different matter. I would be surprised if there was an absolute majority in favour of that.

On it's own, no, but with free trade, yes. You don't get the free trade without the free movement of labour.

 

[Triggaaar]

Which one should I drop?

 

[Titanic]

How can they have a plan? They were not trying to form a government. The question was whether to stay in or leave. It is up to the incumbent government to sort things out. That was a fact from the word go.

The incumbent government asked the question. It is down to them to respond to the people's answer. Resigning is one response, but not perhaps the most helpful.

 

[Seagull58]

For: despite the overwhelming temptation to say "well, you idiots, you made your bed, you better lie in it", the truth is that it's the rest of us poor sods who have to lie alongside them.

Against: a second referendum and a change of mind would send out a very negative message - the UK would no longer have any credibility in Europe whatsoever, without a doubt we would be told to "sit down and shut up" on the naughty step for a VERY long time. I feel that now the choice has been made, we just need to plough on and try to make the most out of the situation.

A second referendum, and then a third if the right answer isn't obtained, is a very EU-ish scenario. The unelected bureaucrats would have no problem with it whatsoever. In fact, they are probably suggesting it behind the scenes as we speak.

 

[studio150]

Polish Social and Cultural Centre in Hammersmith vandalized and Met Police saying it was racially motivated and are investigating.

Hopefully not a sign of the future following the referendum

 

[pb21]

A second referendum, and then a third if the right answer isn't obtained, is a very EU-ish scenario. The unelected bureaucrats would have no problem with it whatsoever. In fact, they are probably suggesting it behind the scenes as we speak.

They are trying to force Brexit along, it's Johnson, Gove and the rest of the Brexit clowns who are stalling!

 

[Two Professors]

YAY Jack Miller,what a rider and Scott Redding on the podium-much better than this politics bolox!