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vegster

Sanity Clause
May 5, 2008
28,273
'Dishonesty’ over Brexit fuelled loyalist anger, says Stormont minister


Northern Ireland’s justice minister has said the government’s “dishonesty” over the consequences of hard Brexit has contributed to the anger felt by loyalists, as police counted the cost of 41 officers injured during violence on the streets over four nights.

Naomi Long’s remarks came as tensions escalated in Northern Ireland, with the first minister and Democratic Unionist party leader, Arlene Foster, hitting out at the “arrogance of Sinn Féin” and telling the BBC the IRA army council still existed.

Long attributed the violence to a combination of loyalist protests over police success in cracking down on paramilitary gangs and disquiet she says has been stoked by Westminster leaders’ false rhetoric over Brexit.

In a swipe at both Boris Johnson, who claimed there would be no checks on goods crossing the Irish Sea, and the Northern Ireland secretary, Brandon Lewis, who said no border would be erected following Brexit, she said the government knew Brexit would be “felt most acutely in Northern Ireland, where identity issues are tied up with border issues”.

She told BBC Radio 4’s Today programme: “Instead of trying to work through the issues legally, it opted to promote lawlessness by suspending the Northern Ireland protocol.

“They promised people unfettered access, which is not the case. And they denied the existence of borders, even as those borders were being erected. I think that that dishonesty, and the lack of clarity around these issues has contributed to a sense of anger in parts of our community.”

“We have to recognise, and this is fundamental, that when we decided that Brexit was the way forward, and when we choose a particularly hard Brexit, that there would be consequences. And those consequences would be felt most acutely in Northern Ireland, where there is some land border,” she added.



https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2021/apr/07/northern-ireland-dishonesty-over-brexit-fuelled-loyalist-anger-says-stormont-minister
 




JC Footy Genius

Bringer of TRUTH
Jun 9, 2015
10,568
Wow with foresight like that it’s no wonder he’s the CEO of JPMorgan.

Btw did anyone think it would be good in the short term ffs [emoji2357]

The CEO of Barclays said “I think Brexit is more than likely on the positive side than on the negative side”, but that didn't matter as some bloke on the internet once supposedly got headhunted to a low ranking job in another bank so he knows better whereas a CEO who thinks Brexit is a negative obviously is spot on :lolol:
 


WATFORD zero

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Jul 10, 2003
27,783
Wow with foresight like that it’s no wonder he’s the CEO of JPMorgan.

Btw did anyone think it would be good in the short term ffs [emoji2357]
The CEO of Barclays said “I think Brexit is more than likely on the positive side than on the negative side”, but that didn't matter as some bloke on the internet once supposedly got headhunted to a low ranking job in another bank so he knows better whereas a CEO who thinks Brexit is a negative obviously is spot on :lolol:

Funnily enough both managing to edit my post before quoting to take out the same line
Obviously not as urgent as the current daily violence in NI, but concerning all the same.


I see that the Brexit Brains Trust have got their top two on the job, how could I possibly compete :lolol:

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Off to dinner :bigwave:

Let's just all hope there's not more of those violent demonstrations tonight, as a result of Brexit, that have injured so many UK police ???
 
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Jan 30, 2008
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And back on the actual topic of Brexit,

JPMorgan CEO: Brexit 'cannot possibly be a positive' for UK in short term

The chief executive of JPMorgan (JPM) has said Brexit "cannot possible be a positive" for the UK economy in the short-term and warned that the bank may eventually move all of its European operations out of London.

Jamie Dimon wrote in his annual letter to the bank's shareholders: "In the short run (ie, the next few years), this cannot possibly be a positive for the United Kingdom’s GDP – the effect after that will be completely based upon whether the United Kingdom has a comprehensive and well executed strategic plan that is acceptable to Europe."

Dimon said Europe had the "upper hand" and warned that JPMorgan may be forced to move all its Europe-facing jobs away from the UK. JPMorgan employs 19,000 people in Britain, including 12,000 in London.


https://uk.news.yahoo.com/jp-morgan-jamie-dimon-shareholder-letter-2021-uk-brexit-130302683.html

Obviously not as urgent as the current daily violence in NI, but concerning all the same.
may, might, short term ............. now where have i heard those words before:whistle:
regards
DF
 








vegster

Sanity Clause
May 5, 2008
28,273

It's amazing how things change.... A few years earlier most of the Tories were queuing up to defend Northern Ireland from any different rules or Customs from the rest of the UK and all thanks to that handful of DUP MP's that secured the Tory majority..... Hello Tory majority of 80 and it's Goodbye to any influence of the DUP !

Northern Ireland became an insoluble problem the moment people voted to leave.
 


Lever

Well-known member
Feb 6, 2019
5,447
It's amazing how things change.... A few years earlier most of the Tories were queuing up to defend Northern Ireland from any different rules or Customs from the rest of the UK and all thanks to that handful of DUP MP's that secured the Tory majority..... Hello Tory majority of 80 and it's Goodbye to any influence of the DUP !

Northern Ireland became an insoluble problem the moment people voted to leave.

You're right. I cannot think of any way that issue will be resolved and it may well lead to more unnecessary bloodshed....
 




A1X

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Sep 1, 2017
20,563
Deepest, darkest Sussex
Northern Ireland became an insoluble problem the moment people voted to leave.

Disagree. It became insoluble the moment Theresa May opted for a non-EEA Brexit. It could have worked had we gone down the Norway / Switzerland route quite happily.
 


nicko31

Well-known member
Jan 7, 2010
18,581
Gods country fortnightly
Brexiters still struggling on here to post anything to do with Brexit; vaccines, unrelated manufacturing jobs, bragging about their pensions, memes about fish....

First we asked them for trade benefits, then any benefits, now something relevant to the subject would be nice
 


Randy McNob

> > > > > > Cardiff > > > > >
Jun 13, 2020
4,725
stark contrast between N Ireland and England, when politicians lie and sell them down the river in N Ireland they get angry and rebel, over here they love it and pretend it's exactly what they wanted
 




Blue Valkyrie

Not seen such Bravery!
Sep 1, 2012
32,165
Valhalla
You're right. I cannot think of any way that issue will be resolved and it may well lead to more unnecessary bloodshed....
Just tell them that if they don't calm down NI will be kicked out of the UK. To be independent or merged with RI - their choice. Too much hassle now. Should focus a few minds.
 


birthofanorange

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NSC Patron
Aug 31, 2011
6,512
David Gilmour's armpit
Brexiters still struggling on here to post anything to do with Brexit; vaccines, unrelated manufacturing jobs, bragging about their pensions, memes about fish....

First we asked them for trade benefits, then any benefits, now something relevant to the subject would be nice

Virtually every thread is rendered unreadable by their trolling posts, tbh. It's like a bunch of disruptive kids are playing truant from remedial school and egging each other on.
Page after page after page of utter drivel, I expect. Utter waste of space, the whole lot of them.
 


Randy McNob

> > > > > > Cardiff > > > > >
Jun 13, 2020
4,725
Disagree. It became insoluble the moment Theresa May opted for a non-EEA Brexit. It could have worked had we gone down the Norway / Switzerland route quite happily.

Norway and Switzerland have freedom of movement and it was only ever about immigration
 


vegster

Sanity Clause
May 5, 2008
28,273
Disagree. It became insoluble the moment Theresa May opted for a non-EEA Brexit. It could have worked had we gone down the Norway / Switzerland route quite happily.

They could never do a Brexit-Lite, it had to be a complete severing of all ties and commitments or else it would not work economically, Imagine how bad Brexit would be if we had maintained ties and decent trading agreements ? It would have been disasterous.... to the ERG loons.
 






Baker lite

Banned
Mar 16, 2017
6,309
in my house


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