[Politics] Brexit

[Pretty pink fairy]

https://youtu.be/Esn_OHa_cDg
One less union flag to be seen
Regards
DF

 

[Baker lite]

Go go global Britain [emoji636]

https://www.mtdmfg.com/news/47-6m-f...vaccines-manufacturing-and-innovation-centre/
Born to win [emoji636]

 

[Randy McNob]

Official speeches by heads of governments or places of power often have flags. It’s the flag in all the living rooms which make me laugh.
It made everyone else laugh too, including Robert Jenrik, but it seems some people have lost their British sense of humour, where we’ve had a time honoured way of being able to laugh at ourselves.

We are turning into the USA, and will be swearing allegiance to the ‘flag’ soon!

The EU isn't a country and they are very much against nationalistic symbols

 

[GrizzlingGammon]

Go go global Britain [emoji636]

https://www.mtdmfg.com/news/47-6m-f...vaccines-manufacturing-and-innovation-centre/
Born to win [emoji636]

Surely this needs to be put in the Covid good news thread.

Nothing to do with Brexit.

#scrabblingforabenefit

 

[Randy McNob]

 

[JC Footy Genius]

The EU isn't a country and they are very much against nationalistic symbols

Happy to indulge in vaccine nationalism and proctionism though ... had your jab yet?

 

[Baker lite]

Probably preferred the one that was used in the 30s and 40s...

 

[Baldseagull]

It's the usual problem, people with very little understanding of these complex issues deluded enough to believe they are knowledgable after reading something in the Guardian or doing a couple of google searches.

"
This is quite funny, you and Pasta claiming to understand complex issues, because Pasta has picked out the word "prevent" that he has quoted from somewhere, and pointed out that it is technically incorrect in this context. Very difficult, would be more accurate, but Pasta makes out it is all very simple, and widely inconsequential. That's bollocks, where it matters, it is a barrier, and whilst prevent may be technically the incorrect term, it is in reality often accurate, because of the consequences. Your good selves insisting we would have greater "sovereignty" show a lack of consideration for genuine ability to act, as opposed to the right to act, and this is in the same category.
I am no expert, but I am damn sure that if one of you two knows enough about this subject, it ain't you, and the other one misrepresents the truth in the way his hero Rees-Mogg does.
There is a bar because of MFN's, which Bojo and the rest of the "German car makers will ensure we get a special, just for Britain, have our cake and eat it deal" seemed to not understand. There are ways around an MFA, which of the routes, all involving EU oversight of the UK, would you prefer?

 

[nicko31]

Another sector screwed by Johnson's crap deal, aviation...

UK charter airlines on an uneven runway with EU carriers, and losing out

https://theloadstar.com/uk-charter-airlines-on-an-uneven-runway-with-eu-carriers-and-losing-out/

Just keeps getting, better and better and better..

 

[WATFORD zero]

But do you not think the situation right now is a higher priority ?

You know, the one were there is not a single Brexit supporter anywhere from the highest levels of Government down, who can suggest any sort of solution to these major issues which are as a direct result of trying to implement this 'Brexit Good Deal' you all voted for.

A Northern Ireland protocol which is unsustainable and we are having to break International law rather than implement the rest of what we agreed in the Deal.
A Fishing Industry that is on it's knees and won't survive the year in any significant form without changes to the Deal.
An enormous hit on any company that Exports that will not change unless there are changes to the Deal.
We keep pushing back Import controls because we don't have the infrastructure, systems or staff to implement them and to avoid the impact of Import controls on supply lines and supermarket shelves. But we will have to implement some sort of controls eventually unless we get changes to the Deal.
The Financial Services market is haemorrhaging into the EU, US and elsewhere. We either need to negotiate Equivalence with the EU or undertake massive de-regulation to compete with places like Singapore, because without changes, it will simply continue to pour out.

Of course, you could reply with a load of inconsequential whataboutery about some hypothetical situation years in the future, but I'm sure you would rather deal with real life situations that are actually happening and effecting the economy, industries, businesses and people right now

Indeed, exemptions do apply, the clauses are targeted to specific chapters and sectors within a deal not the whole thing, you can touch whole areas of a chapter where clauses don’t exist and clauses can also simply instruct both parties to open dialogue on that sector or clauses may not even be in a trade deal. Quite possible to improve on a sector and a trade deal that doesn’t change that parties arrangement with a third party if there is no clause attached to its specifics.

Those that say MFN clauses in existing EU trade deals prevent the other party offering better terms in any other trade deal than the terms with the EU are misunderstanding what they do.

Who would come out with rubbish like this?

“I know that a significant number of the EU's existing trade deals have MFN clauses preventing the other party offering better terms in any other trade deals than the terms agreed with the EU.”

Well I certainly didn't see that coming

 

[Randy McNob]

Happy to indulge in vaccine nationalism and proctionism though ... had your jab yet?

Think I might wait for the Johnson and Johnson one

 

[WATFORD zero]

Happy to indulge in vaccine nationalism and proctionism though ... had your jab yet?

Flags, Vaccines, maybe we should open a book on what your next feeble attempt to try and derail this thread from the almighty clusterf*** that is Brexit

In case you've forgotten again, here's the immediate issues that you have caused and now keep running away from

A Northern Ireland protocol which is unsustainable and we are having to break International law rather than implement the rest of what we agreed in the Deal.
A Fishing Industry that is on it's knees and won't survive the year in any significant form without changes to the Deal.
An enormous hit on any company that Exports that will not change unless there are changes to the Deal.
We keep pushing back Import controls because we don't have the infrastructure, systems or staff to implement them and to avoid the impact of Import controls on supply lines and supermarket shelves. But we will have to implement some sort of controls eventually unless we get changes to the Deal.
The Financial Services market is haemorrhaging into the EU, US and elsewhere. We either need to negotiate Equivalence with the EU or undertake massive de-regulation to compete with places like Singapore, because without changes, it will simply continue to pour out.

 

[sydney]

this is a football forum yeah...?? we just confirmed our prem status yeah...?? our chairman just banked 150 mill ..yreah..?? stop being a tedious . boring **** ....yeah..?

 

[JC Footy Genius]

"
This is quite funny, you and Pasta claiming to understand complex issues, because Pasta has picked out the word "prevent" that he has quoted from somewhere, and pointed out that it is technically incorrect in this context. Very difficult, would be more accurate, but Pasta makes out it is all very simple, and widely inconsequential. That's bollocks, where it matters, it is a barrier, and whilst prevent may be technically the incorrect term, it is in reality often accurate, because of the consequences. Your good selves insisting we would have greater "sovereignty" show a lack of consideration for genuine ability to act, as opposed to the right to act, and this is in the same category.
I am no expert, but I am damn sure that if one of you two knows enough about this subject, it ain't you, and the other one misrepresents the truth in the way his hero Rees-Mogg does.
There is a bar because of MFN's, which Bojo and the rest of the "German car makers will ensure we get a special, just for Britain, have our cake and eat it deal" seemed to not understand. There are ways around an MFA, which of the routes, all involving EU oversight of the UK, would you prefer?

Easily amused then. It's not difficult and you certainly don't need expert knowledge to point out glaring innacuracies in Wzs' posts. But I'm sure he is very grateful for you wanting to defend his limited cognitive abilities.

 

[nicko31]

Flags, Vaccines, maybe we should open a book on what your next feeble attempt to try and derail this thread from the almighty clusterf*** that is Brexit

In case you've forgotten again, here's the immediate issues that you have caused and now keep running away from

A Northern Ireland protocol which is unsustainable and we are having to break International law rather than implement the rest of what we agreed in the Deal.
A Fishing Industry that is on it's knees and won't survive the year in any significant form without changes to the Deal.
An enormous hit on any company that Exports that will not change unless there are changes to the Deal.
We keep pushing back Import controls because we don't have the infrastructure, systems or staff to implement them and to avoid the impact of Import controls on supply lines and supermarket shelves. But we will have to implement some sort of controls eventually unless we get changes to the Deal.
The Financial Services market is haemorrhaging into the EU, US and elsewhere. We either need to negotiate Equivalence with the EU or undertake massive de-regulation to compete with places like Singapore, because without changes, it will simply continue to pour out.

Important to remember with the UK breaking International law the agreement the UK signed off on over christmas with zero scrutiny still hasn't been signed off by the EU.

 

[WATFORD zero]

It's a bit concerning that it falls on an ex leader of the conservative party to point out to the current Government that “Genocide is the crime of all crimes and the UK must offer a beacon of hope to those who suffer” rather than actively support countries that carry it out.

China must be ‘sent signal’ on human rights with trade bill as aid cuts deemed ‘unlawful’

A former Conservative Party leader has warned MPs they should “send a signal” to China, and “give hope” to victims of human rights abuses, by supporting a House of Lords amendment to the Trade Bill on Monday which would limit ministers’ ability to strike trade deals with countries committing acts such as genocide.

Sir Iain Duncan Smith joined the voices of senior Tories who have called for relations with China to be cooled, despite Boris Johnson’s integrated review of security, defence, development and post-Brexit foreign policy published last week calling for a “positive trade and investment relationship” with Beijing in the run-up to 2030.

“Genocide is the crime of all crimes and the UK must offer a beacon of hope to those who suffer,” he wrote in The Times on Monday morning.

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/brexit-news-live-boris-johnson-update-b1820379.html

Just when you think this Government could not be more morally reprehensible in their squalid attempts to justify the total and utter clusterf*** that is the reality of Brexit, they never continue to surprise

 

[vegster]

It's a bit concerning that it falls on an ex leader of the conservative party to point out to the current Government that “Genocide is the crime of all crimes and the UK must offer a beacon of hope to those who suffer” rather than actively support countries that carry it out.

China must be ‘sent signal’ on human rights with trade bill as aid cuts deemed ‘unlawful’

A former Conservative Party leader has warned MPs they should “send a signal” to China, and “give hope” to victims of human rights abuses, by supporting a House of Lords amendment to the Trade Bill on Monday which would limit ministers’ ability to strike trade deals with countries committing acts such as genocide.

Sir Iain Duncan Smith joined the voices of senior Tories who have called for relations with China to be cooled, despite Boris Johnson’s integrated review of security, defence, development and post-Brexit foreign policy published last week calling for a “positive trade and investment relationship” with Beijing in the run-up to 2030.

“Genocide is the crime of all crimes and the UK must offer a beacon of hope to those who suffer,” he wrote in The Times on Monday morning.

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/brexit-news-live-boris-johnson-update-b1820379.html

Just when you think this Government could not be more morally reprehensible in their squalid attempts to justify the total and utter clusterf*** that is the reality of Brexit, they never continue to surprise

It shows how ****ed we are as a country when IDS suddenly starts caring for the oppressed!

 

[Pretty pink fairy]

It's a bit concerning that it falls on an ex leader of the conservative party to point out to the current Government that “Genocide is the crime of all crimes and the UK must offer a beacon of hope to those who suffer” rather than actively support countries that carry it out.

China must be ‘sent signal’ on human rights with trade bill as aid cuts deemed ‘unlawful’

A former Conservative Party leader has warned MPs they should “send a signal” to China, and “give hope” to victims of human rights abuses, by supporting a House of Lords amendment to the Trade Bill on Monday which would limit ministers’ ability to strike trade deals with countries committing acts such as genocide.

Sir Iain Duncan Smith joined the voices of senior Tories who have called for relations with China to be cooled, despite Boris Johnson’s integrated review of security, defence, development and post-Brexit foreign policy published last week calling for a “positive trade and investment relationship” with Beijing in the run-up to 2030.

“Genocide is the crime of all crimes and the UK must offer a beacon of hope to those who suffer,” he wrote in The Times on Monday morning.

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/brexit-news-live-boris-johnson-update-b1820379.html

Just when you think this Government could not be more morally reprehensible in their squalid attempts to justify the total and utter clusterf*** that is the reality of Brexit, they never continue to surprise

https://youtu.be/ZqLT3PmOKtQ
Regards
DF

 

[Pretty Plnk Fairy]

https://uk.finance.yahoo.com/news/brexit-uk-salmon-exports-to-eu-crash-98-134750686.html

Sammon exports to the EU fall by 98% since Brexit but i dont care because i prefer BEANS for tea, so why cant the moaning fisherman catch those instead?

Up your delores

Regards

DF

 

[pastafarian]

"
This is quite funny, you and Pasta claiming to understand complex issues, because Pasta has picked out the word "prevent" that he has quoted from somewhere, and pointed out that it is technically incorrect in this context. Very difficult, would be more accurate, but Pasta makes out it is all very simple, and widely inconsequential. That's bollocks, where it matters, it is a barrier, and whilst prevent may be technically the incorrect term, it is in reality often accurate, because of the consequences. Your good selves insisting we would have greater "sovereignty" show a lack of consideration for genuine ability to act, as opposed to the right to act, and this is in the same category.
I am no expert, but I am damn sure that if one of you two knows enough about this subject, it ain't you, and the other one misrepresents the truth in the way his hero Rees-Mogg does.
There is a bar because of MFN's, which Bojo and the rest of the "German car makers will ensure we get a special, just for Britain, have our cake and eat it deal" seemed to not understand. There are ways around an MFA, which of the routes, all involving EU oversight of the UK, would you prefer?

Prevent is indeed the incorrect term. Glad you agree.

Well I certainly didn't see that coming

You didnt see it coming that i didnt reply to you..........cool story.