[Politics] Brexit

[nicko31]

Could a No Deal Brexit still occur?

The UK-EU deal was rushed through in 2 days with almost no scrutiny, but in the face of International Law breaking from the UK side the EU has not ratified it

https://amp.theguardian.com/politic...brexit-remains-peers-say-as-eu-relations-sour

#roguestate

 

[nicko31]

JCFG obviously didn't understand what it meant or read my post before he dived in

Its pretty common with a lot of EU trade deals especially those struck since 2016, they will need to be brought into the room if there is significant divergence. When it comes to trade like it or not, size matters...

 

[GrizzlingGammon]

Go go global Britain indeed, ratifying that deal is most welcome and must come as a welcome surprise to all those who said it would take several years to replace the EU deals with third countries. Phase two, starting and improving on the deal beginning this year too ... [emoji636]

It took over a year to get the same.

Maybe the UK government could also have a public consultation to find out the priorities of the British public before they start negotiating an 'improved' agreement.

 

[JC Footy Genius]

JCFG obviously didn't understand what it meant or read my post before he dived in.

Proof that timing is everything in comedy

No surprise that someone who thought China and the USA were in a trade block also believes the UK and Canadian governments aren't negotiating to build on an interim deal, starting negotations this year ...

As the Canada-U.K. TCA is meant to be an interim measure, Canada and the U.K. look forward to engaging in future negotiations on a new, high-standard and ambitious free trade agreement that will best reflect the bilateral relationship and trade priorities.

In advance of this, Canada launched public consultations on March 12 to hear directly from Canadians on their priorities for the next phase of the Canada-U.K. trade relationship. These consultations will help define Canada’s priorities in future negotiations with the U.K., in the context of both a new, bilateral free trade agreement and the U.K. potentially joining the Comprehensive and Progressive Agreement for Trans-Pacific Partnership (CPTPP).

The signing comes after both countries last month announced an ‘agreement in principle’ to roll over current trading arrangements and begin negotiations on a new, bespoke UK-Canada trade deal in 2021.

 

[WATFORD zero]

No surprise that someone who thought China and the USA were in a trade block also believes the UK and Canadian governments aren't negotiating to build on an interim deal, starting negotations this year ...

As the Canada-U.K. TCA is meant to be an interim measure, Canada and the U.K. look forward to engaging in future negotiations on a new, high-standard and ambitious free trade agreement that will best reflect the bilateral relationship and trade priorities.

In advance of this, Canada launched public consultations on March 12 to hear directly from Canadians on their priorities for the next phase of the Canada-U.K. trade relationship. These consultations will help define Canada’s priorities in future negotiations with the U.K., in the context of both a new, bilateral free trade agreement and the U.K. potentially joining the Comprehensive and Progressive Agreement for Trans-Pacific Partnership (CPTPP).

The signing comes after both countries last month announced an ‘agreement in principle’ to roll over current trading arrangements and begin negotiations on a new, bespoke UK-Canada trade deal in 2021.

Very good, you've copied and pasted a press release that confirms exactly what I stated above.

We've committed to an agreement that is governed by regulatory alignment with the EU.

If we negotiate anything significantly different the EU will get offered the same under the MFN rules in their trade agreement.

And this is brilliant news why exactly ?

 

[JC Footy Genius]

So exactly as stated above, we've committed to an agreement that is governed by regulatory alignment with the EU.

If we negotiate anything significantly different the EU will get offered the same under the MFN rules in their trade agreement.

And this is brilliant news why exactly ?

We have committed to building and improving on the interim deal to better reflect Uk/Canada priorities, if both countries thought this wouldn't be of benefit, why would they bother?

Well done for remembering how to use a search engine.

 

[JC Footy Genius]

We have committed to building and improving on the interim deal to better reflect Uk/Canada priorities, if both countries thought this wouldn't be of benefit, why would they bother?

Well done for remembering how to use a search engine.

No answer as yet, so, may I humbly suggest, it's because national governments know more than some bloke with an agenda on the internet.

I get the feeling that the inevitable moment where we sign an Improved trade deal with a third country all the #teameu crew will either spontaneously combust or go MIA ...

Global Britain [emoji636]

 

[Randy McNob]

No answer as yet, so, may I humbly suggest, it's because national governments know more than some bloke with an agenda on the internet.

I get the feeling that the inevitable moment where we sign an Improved trade deal with a third country all the #teameu crew will either spontaneously combust or go MIA ...

Global Britain [emoji636]

didn't you begin marvelling at how quick it was to sign a trade deal and now seemingly talking about the actual interim deal - the point of it being it takes many years to agree trade deals? The EU - Canada trade deal started in 2007 and is still not fully implemented - 14 years. Surely the consistent position would be dismay at agreeing to follow EU rules for many years to come?

I do admire you confidence at those in power agreeing the best deals for the UK despite the same people making a pigs ear of the EU deal and is completely inferior to membership in everyway. Good luck....

 

[WATFORD zero]

No answer as yet, so, may I humbly suggest, it's because national governments know more than some bloke with an agenda on the internet.

I get the feeling that the inevitable moment where we sign an Improved trade deal with a third country all the #teameu crew will either spontaneously combust or go MIA ...

Global Britain [emoji636]

40 mins and nobody has answered ? My goodness, somebody is desperate for attention (or people may have other things to do ).

You can 'humbly state' whatever you like but repeating exactly the same as I stated above, we've committed to an agreement that is governed by regulatory alignment with the EU. If, as you are trying to claim, at some undefined point in the future, we negotiate anything significantly different the EU will get offered the same under the MFN rules in their trade agreement and we will have exactly the same as if we had stayed in the EU. So, once again, why is this brilliant news ?

And whilst you are into chasing up answers (and wondering why you haven't had a response in 40 mins ), here's the question I asked you on Tuesday, and again Thursday but don't seem to have any answer to, so will try for a third time ?

Excellent. A Brexit supporter, and one I know likes to get this thread back on topic.

So maybe you could answer the question for your friend and tell us what you think is going to happen to address these issues over the next 12 months ?

A Northern Ireland protocol which is unsustainable and we are having to break International law rather than implement the rest of what we agreed in the Deal.
A Fishing Industry that is on it's knees and won't survive the year in any significant form without changes to the Deal.
An enormous hit on any company that Exports that will not change unless there are changes to the Deal.
We keep pushing back Import controls because we don't have the infrastructure, systems or staff to implement them and to avoid the impact of Import controls on supply lines and supermarket shelves. But we will have to implement some sort of controls eventually unless we get changes to the Deal.
The Financial Services market is haemorrhaging into the EU, US and elsewhere. We either need to negotiate Equivalence with the EU or undertake massive de-regulation to compete with places like Singapore, because without changes, it will simply continue to pour out.

Because the fact is that the deal has been negotiated, written, signed off and parts of it delivered, and we are all in this together.

So maybe just go for one of them and we can discuss your proposed solutions to that, and then work through them individually. It will be good to get some positive, 'can do' thinking on these

And, as we all know, the only account to 'either spontaneously combust or go MIA' lately has been [MENTION=35196]Is it PotG?[/MENTION]

 

[JC Footy Genius]

40 mins and nobody has answered ? My goodness, somebody is desperate for attention (or people may have other things to do ).

You can 'humbly state' whatever you like but repeating exactly the same as I stated above, we've committed to an agreement that is governed by regulatory alignment with the EU. If, as you are trying to claim, at some undefined point in the future, we negotiate anything significantly different the EU will get offered the same under the MFN rules in their trade agreement and we will have exactly the same as if we had stayed in the EU. So, once again, why is this brilliant news ?

And whilst you are into chasing up answers (and wondering why you haven't had a response in 40 mins ), here's the question I asked you on Tuesday, and again Thursday but don't seem to have any answer to, so will try for a third time ?



And, as we all know, the only account to 'either spontaneously combust or go MIA' lately has been [MENTION=35196]Is it PotG?[/MENTION]

I'm not claiming anything just pointing out the fact that the UK and Canada are negotiating to improve on the deal currently agreed. You have no idea what that deal will look like or if every element is covered under current MFN rules.

Repeating the question you didn't answer ... if there was no benefit to negotiating improvements to the current deal why would either side bother?

Perhaps you should ask your friend [MENTION=616]Guinness Boy[/MENTION] what happened to Is it POTG?

 

[pastafarian]

I'm not claiming anything just pointing out the fact that the UK and Canada are negotiating to improve on the deal currently agreed. You have no idea what that deal will look like or if every element is covered under current MFN rules.

Repeating the question you didn't answer ... if there was no benefit to negotiating improvements to the current deal why would either side bother?

Perhaps you should ask your friend [MENTION=616]Guinness Boy[/MENTION] what happened to Is it POTG?

MFN clauses in trade deals are specific to chapters and can and do vary from deal to deal, and obviously not all trade deals contain MFN clauses.
There is a misconception by a few (they tend to be of a remain persuasion) that believe MFN clauses in trade deals prevent another party offering better terms in another trade deal.
This is a fundamental misunderstanding of MFN clauses in preferential trade deals. If it were true it would make the whole point of the WTO obsolete.
The UK and Canada are not prevented from improving on any existing deals.

 

[Guinness Boy]

Perhaps you should ask your friend [MENTION=616]Guinness Boy[/MENTION] what happened to Is it POTG?

He hasn't entirely disappeared. He's just feeling a little horse.

 

[WATFORD zero]

I'm not claiming anything just pointing out the fact that the UK and Canada are negotiating to improve on the deal currently agreed. You have no idea what that deal will look like or if every element is covered under current MFN rules.

Repeating the question you didn't answer ... if there was no benefit to negotiating improvements to the current deal why would either side bother?

Perhaps you should ask your friend [MENTION=616]Guinness Boy[/MENTION] what happened to Is it POTG?

You really don't understand, do you ? I will answer your question for a third time, but this time very s..l..o..w..l..y.

Any significant improvements we get on any new deal, will also be offered to the EU under the terms of their deal.
In the years in between, the deal we have just signed means that it operates under the regulations of the EU.

This means that no matter what happens, we will be in the same position as we would have been had we stayed in the EU. So what part of this press release should we be celebrating again ?

And I'm so glad to hear that [MENTION=35196]Is it PotG?[/MENTION] hasn't spontaneously combusted and has simply gone MIA. But I do wonder how you would know the confidential detail of what happened to an account that you have nothing whatsoever to do with


As I've now answered your question 3 times, maybe you'd like to have a go at this ?

So maybe you could answer the question for your friend and tell us what you think is going to happen to address these issues over the next 12 months ?

A Northern Ireland protocol which is unsustainable and we are having to break International law rather than implement the rest of what we agreed in the Deal.
A Fishing Industry that is on it's knees and won't survive the year in any significant form without changes to the Deal.
An enormous hit on any company that Exports that will not change unless there are changes to the Deal.
We keep pushing back Import controls because we don't have the infrastructure, systems or staff to implement them and to avoid the impact of Import controls on supply lines and supermarket shelves. But we will have to implement some sort of controls eventually unless we get changes to the Deal.
The Financial Services market is haemorrhaging into the EU, US and elsewhere. We either need to negotiate Equivalence with the EU or undertake massive de-regulation to compete with places like Singapore, because without changes, it will simply continue to pour out.

Because the fact is that the deal has been negotiated, written, signed off and parts of it delivered, and we are all in this together.

I can't imagine why you keep ignoring it. It's almost as if you are totally incapable of answering despite knowing that this was what you were voting for and going to get 6 years ago

 

[WATFORD zero]

MFN clauses in trade deals are specific to chapters and can and do vary from deal to deal, and obviously not all trade deals contain MFN clauses.
There is a misconception by a few (they tend to be of a remain persuasion) that believe MFN clauses in trade deals prevent another party offering better terms in another trade deal.
This is a fundamental misunderstanding of MFN clauses in preferential trade deals. If it were true it would make the whole point of the WTO obsolete.
The UK and Canada are not prevented from improving on any existing deals.

You don't say

You can 'humbly state' whatever you like but repeating exactly the same as I stated above, we've committed to an agreement that is governed by regulatory alignment with the EU. If, as you are trying to claim, at some undefined point in the future, we negotiate anything significantly different the EU will get offered the same under the MFN rules in their trade agreement and we will have exactly the same as if we had stayed in the EU. So, once again, why is this brilliant news ?

If you disturbed a porn, puff and all night session nuts deep in Battlefield 1 with your boys for that, you shouldn't have bothered

 

[WATFORD zero]

And, just when you think Johnson and crew couldn't have made a bigger cock up of it

Threat of no-deal Brexit remains, peers say, as EU relations sour

The Brexit deal signed in December has been thrown into jeopardy because of the recent breakdown of relations with the EU, an influential House of Lords committee is warning. The European Union committee says “the threat of no deal remains”, with the European parliament now declining to set a date for its vote on the trade agreement sealed on Christmas Eve.

“The European Union committee warned in December 2017 that it was difficult to envisage a worse outcome for the UK than a ‘no-deal’ Brexit. We are therefore concerned that recent developments have so undermined trust that the possibility of ‘no deal’ – in other words, a failure to ratify the trade and cooperation agreement (TCA) – has now resurfaced,” says the report.

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2021/mar/19/threat-of-no-deal-brexit-remains-peers-say-as-eu-relations-sour

I do wonder wtf is going to happen from here, as it is patently obvious that the current situation is completely unsustainable and no-one, from the Idiot Johnson down to the people who voted in the referendum, whether Leaver or Remainer, has any idea of how we go forward

It really is the most almighty clusterf*** with no obvious way out of it

 

[JC Footy Genius]

He hasn't entirely disappeared. He's just feeling a little horse.

[MENTION=396]WATFORD zero[/MENTION] will be pleased, his thumbs-ups numbers have dropped off a cliff recently.

 

[WATFORD zero]

[MENTION=396]WATFORD zero[/MENTION] will be pleased, his thumbs-ups numbers have dropped off a cliff recently.

I have and only ever used one NSC account and am willing to donate £100 to REMF if anyone can prove otherwise

Well at least we all know it's going to a good cause

 

[Prince Monolulu]

He hasn't entirely disappeared. He's just feeling a little horse.

Reassuring that the lines of communication at the top are running loud and clear.

 

[nicko31]

He hasn't entirely disappeared. He's just feeling a little horse.

Hasn't posted since 28.2 on here, sorely missed

 

[Pretty pink fairy]

Very good, you've copied and pasted a press release that confirms exactly what I stated above.

We've committed to an agreement that is governed by regulatory alignment with the EU.

If we negotiate anything significantly different the EU will get offered the same under the MFN rules in their trade agreement.

And this is brilliant news why exactly ?

Good news is bad news , get over yourself
Regards
DF