[Politics] Brexit

[portslade seagull]

I have been looking for the postives but so far I still have a blank page

Stop looking at the remain pages then

 

[Bodian]

They'll simply take it at face value.

The terms to be agreed are probably set in stone within the EU framework. Whoever negotiates will do their best for us. I have no idea what will happen if terms cannot be agreed.

It was implied on telly last night that if we reach the end of the two year negotiation period and cannot agree terms then we will simply have to leave on the terms set out by the other 27, not on ours - ie: we're effectively kicked out (can't remember which programme specifically - there have been so many...). They added that the two years can be extended if all 27 agree.

 

[Tricky Dicky]

leaders are temporary the nation and most importantly it's people (away from the clutches of an EU monster state) will be forever.

That's a completely meaningless statement.

I am still genuinely searching to understand what people thought they were going to get by voting out, I see no upside.

 

[Seagull58]

The economic models of the Treasury, EY Item club, OECD, IMF and nearly every respected organisation predict lower economic growth as a result of a no vote. The UK fell from fifth to sixth largest world economy on Friday after the vote. That's immediate evidence.


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The consensus is for a 1% reduction in GDP compared to what it would have been had we stayed in, isn't it?

 

[portslade seagull]

Well that's another lie nailed!Junker has written to all British employees of the EU to tell them their jobs are safe.'You work for Europe and that door is not closing for you'.One less thing to whinge and cry about!

He has been told to wind his neck in

 

[Bodian]

As I've tried to point out with the poll I made, it's pretty obvious that the majority of UK voters want to keep the EU trade agreement & free movement combo.

I think that's probably the case. In a way it's a shame we didn't have three options on the ballot paper - it could have at least differentiated between leavers who are mainly concerned about things like sovereignty / law-making, etc and those who were mainly wanting to stop immigration.

 

[JC Footy Genius]

The French government have confirmed there will be no change to our border controls based in France.

Business Secretary Sajid Javid (Remainer) virtually conceded this morning the punishment budget and the treasury short term economic forecast predicting catastrophe he claimed would happen after Brexit were all a crock of sh*t.

Merkel has signalled that punishing the UK through negotiations is a non starter.

Project fear indeed.

 

[Diego Napier]

Keep taking the tablets... ... ...

I shall.

If you haven't run out then I should seriously consider doubling your dose...

 

[portslade seagull]

The French government have confirmed there will be no change to our border controls based in France.

Business Secretary Sajid Javid (Remainer) virtually conceded this morning the punishment budget and the treasury short term economic forecast predicting catastrophe he claimed would happen after Brexit were all a crock of sh*t.

Merkel has signalled that punishing the UK through negotiations is a non starter.

Project fear indeed.

Project fear put to bed. Just a few left who cannot accept defeat

 

[portslade seagull]

Nope, just a bit of housekeeping. A number of Corbyn threads and referendum threads have been merged, that's all.

Can't you move them all so we can get back to football

 

[El Presidente]

Can't you move them all so we can get back to football

I'm doing my best, but am working this morning, so a bit difficult.

 

[GoldWithFalmer]

Anyone who couldn't get to a polling station could easily get a postal vote. I did.

What on the day? I am registered for and did a postal vote....I was talking about on the day of the vote.

 

[portslade seagull]

I'm doing my best, but am working this morning, so a bit difficult.

Thanks El. Footy more important now

 

[BigGully]

The club has rules, you want free trade, you have free movement of labour, you contribute financially to the club and you can only sell product that meets its criteria. These are cornerstone policies. We are a big hitter, by leaving the E.U. we make it weaker, but we are not so big we can't be taken down a peg or two. The survival of the E.U. will be more dependant on others remaining than maintaining level of trade with us.

In football terms, our love for Knocky may diminish somewhat if he throws a paddy, refuses to play and asks to be transfer listed, because he thinks he has better prospects elsewhere. It may hurt us financially short term to leave him sitting in the reserves for the majority of his remaining contract, but it might prevent Skalak and Dunk doing the same thing, and so ultimately getting the message out that the tail does not wag the dog.

This is the problem, you cannot quote rules and any current political posturing from the unelected EU beaurocrats, there are election coming soon for many including Merkel.

How can she go to her own people that have lost their jobs, their contracts and their financial wellbeing due to playing toxic politics with the UK democratic referendum decision, we are the worlds 5th largest economy, the EU's 2nd largest it makes a difference, one hell of a difference.

Ultimately size does matter, we remain the EU's biggest market, we are the dog and not the tail, the EU will have to tread carefully we are not Greece, we will want to retain our trade and remain staunch allies but it is arrogant of the EU to threaten to bully, coerce or encourage economic harm, we are a big enough economy, we have an economic deterrent.

 

[El Presidente]

Thanks El. Footy more important now

Regardless of the referendum, we are all UNITED on loving the Albion, and in the belief that Stevie Coppell does indeed had a sexually transmitted disease.

 

[One Love]

the trouble is just over a third of the electorate voted to remain.

if you believe there will be chaos there shouldnt have been an vote in the first place. lets not talk ourselfs into self fulfilling assumption of doom.

Directed to you Beorhthelm as I know you to be serious poster.

Can you put my mind at rest?

I am no economist. I am a businessman and all I can do is draw comparisons with my own situation and imagine a similar scenario.

Which is...

I am a business that is in a club with other local businesses. I benefit from trading within this club and as a member of this club I benefit from trading with everyone else. I do well, am responsible for loads of employees and I am enjoying financial success and stability. However this club do cause me loads of red tape which I am getting fed up with.

I decide to go it alone. I leave the club and go to renegotiate trading deals with the club and with everyone else.

I approach the club but they are very busy sorting out the terms of my exit, re-negotiating internal agreements with everyone else within the club and re-negotiating terms with everyone else. I am their least priority.

I approach everyone else. They are busy re-negotiating all the deals with the club that I don't belong in anymore. I am their least priority.

What should I do?

I can't sustain this for long, employees will have to be laid off. If I'm not careful my mortgage won't be paid, my kids won't be fed.

Is this not what is going to happen to the UK?

 

[GoldWithFalmer]

That's a completely meaningless statement.

I am still genuinely searching to understand what people thought they were going to get by voting out, I see no upside.

Control of our boarders and less immigration the ability to pass our own laws and the high court not to be overruled by a court in Brussels..

 

[JC Footy Genius]

That's a completely meaningless statement.

I am still genuinely searching to understand what people thought they were going to get by voting out, I see no upside.

Primacy of the UK parliament/Government/law

Freedom to start and negotiate trade deals with some of the largest, fastest growing economies in the world.

Controlled immigration.

Ah [MENTION=19232]GoldWithFalmer[/MENTION] got there before me!

 

[GT49er]

Stop looking at the remain pages then

Nice one!

 

[GoldWithFalmer]

When the raw material (from outside the EU) starts pouring into the country through the ports we will need more boats seamen and extension to ports....that is just the start..