[Politics] Brexit

[WATFORD zero]

It's going worse than expected, but not terribly. Poor government responsible.

To meet my expectations we need to make groundbreaking trade deals with countries all around the world. Accept immigrants from all around the world to meet employment demand, as opposed to doing it to fulfill an EU quota. Need some degree of protectionism for British products - to promote manufacturing and consumption of British products locally.

We will see where we are 5, 10 or 15 years down the line, hopefully with the red side having a go at things. I still predict it will ultimately be a great success, particularly as the EU grows and I suspect will fall.

As I may have mentioned once or twice before, I don't have a lot of faith in this Government either, but when you say poor Government is responsible, is that because you preferred the 'softer' Brexit of the May Government ? Or do you want to go 'no deal', get Brexit done and then sort out the trade deals as I suggested in my answer to dejavuatbtn above ?

 

[nicko31]

It's going worse than expected, but not terribly. Poor government responsible.

To meet my expectations we need to make groundbreaking trade deals with countries all around the world. Accept immigrants from all around the world to meet employment demand, as opposed to doing it to fulfill an EU quota. Need some degree of protectionism for British products - to promote manufacturing and consumption of British products locally.

We will see where we are 5, 10 or 15 years down the line, hopefully with the red side having a go at things. I still predict it will ultimately be a great success, particularly as the EU grows and I suspect will fall.

Its great to have some coherent input from the pro Brexit crew on this thread, its been a while. Couple of questions you don't mind...

I'm curious what protectionism you had in mind for UK products?

In terms of trade what do see as the most exciting post-Brexit trade opportunity, ie where does the new opportunity exist and what will be sell them?

 

[WATFORD zero]

Neither.

It would have been ideal for the breakup between Brexit and the EU to be more amicable, with the future success of both parties the end goal of all negotiations, but obviously the EU could not let that happen as a successful Brexit could mean the end of the EU.

May's soft Brexit would have resulted in too many long term commitments to the EU which would hold us back for years to come, so hard Brexit is preferable.

This government has been poor in respect of a great range of issues. The main reason this applies to Brexit is that our key people consist of very poor negotiators that have lost face on too many occasions versus the EU. No fan of Thatcher, but her resolve would have been perfect for these kinds of negotiations. Ideally we would have had a left wing government that would have found it easier to leave more amicably for a smoother [hard] exit.

But as I said above, if we want a win/win deal with the EU, it would have to be one where we can't use UK Government subsidies or rules governing, welfare, standards, safety etc etc in order to undercut the EU's own businesses. There is no way the EU would allow that and give tariff free access to their markets. It would be madness economically.

It isn't the EU being awkward, it is simply the EU protecting their interests.

Given that the EU already have a set of rules governing all of this for 27 countries, do you really think them negotiating a complete new set for the UK was a starter ? I think any negotiator, no matter how tough would have their work cut out on that one. And that is completely ignoring the fact they are over 5 times bigger than us.

There are solutions to these issues, either abide by the rules (and staying in the customs union would be the simplest way) or go 'no deal'. Where the Government has been poor is that they won't commit to either, as they know they are both unpopular.

 

[nicko31]

Strategic protectionism to help grow our key industries, particuarly high tech. We are already amongst the world leaders, but we need to do more to develop, consume and export our high tech products. Agriculture also - not a fan of importing things that we are able to make here, especially food.

Essentially we have an opportunity to form ground breaking deals with all non-EU countries. Emerging countries in Africa. North America and Asia. The EU will continue to be the thorn in our side, but as long as we are in the position where global nations compete for our interest, then we can do very well out of this opportunity.

I'm not sure there is much evidence the lack of British owned manufacturing is the fault of the EU though, its more to do with our approach to this area as a nation over the decades

Anyway, from Jan 1 we're a 3rd country freed from the shackles of the current UK trading agreement with the EU, the brave new world...

What export trade are we unable to do at present, where is the restriction, large tariffs? What's the biggest NEW single opportunity there is from day one. Is it in services or goods? Who's the buyer and how big is the opportunity?

 

[Pretty pink fairy]

Thanks for the answer. I'm not the EU's biggest fan, but I see it as a necessary evil for any 21st century economy. I thought that British Governments of all political hues over the last 40 years had done a very good job of managing the creeping Eurostate that you were worried about, ensuring we didn't have any aspect of the EU that we didn't want. (Euro, Schengen, various rebates, vetoes and opt-outs etc etc). The main difference between us being that I thought we should fight for the UKs interests inside the EU.

I can't agree that the EU are making it difficult for us to leave though. Apart from the ongoing problem of sharing a land border with the EU (which, in any other circumstance could simply be resolved by putting in border and border posts), it should be very simple. Leave on 'no deal' and then negotiate any trade deals with the EU after we have left. There is obviously an economic hit, but it would get us out nice and simply. There is nothing the EU could do. The problem is that 4.5 years on, we still don't seem to have the political will or ability to plan and do that with it's associated economic hit.

Instead we want to keep some of the benefits of the EU and the EU are saying what I would say in that situation. 'Only if it is economically good for us'. And having a major economic power in Europe, not in the EU, who can use Government intervention on funding, welfare, standards, safety etc etc and consequently undercut the EU's own businesses, whilst having tariff free access to their markets was never going to happen.

Ah well, what will be will be. It was good to get another viewpoint on this as the only Two Pro Brexit posters on here these days seem to be lacking a little in quality and content. I'd better get back to answering them or more packs of crayons will needlessly suffer

Good luck with the Jabs and let's hope we all get through in order to moan the other side of this

we left the EU 11 months ago
Regards
DF

 

[Pretty pink fairy]

But as I said above, if we want a win/win deal with the EU, it would have to be one where we can't use UK Government subsidies or rules governing, welfare, standards, safety etc etc in order to undercut the EU's own businesses. There is no way the EU would allow that and give tariff free access to their markets. It would be madness economically.

It isn't the EU being awkward, it is simply the EU protecting their interests.

Given that the EU already have a set of rules governing all of this for 27 countries, do you really think them negotiating a complete new set for the UK was a starter ? I think any negotiator, no matter how tough would have their work cut out on that one. And that is completely ignoring the fact they are over 5 times bigger than us.

There are solutions to these issues, either abide by the rules (and staying in the customs union would be the simplest way) or go 'no deal'. Where the Government has been poor is that they won't commit to either, as they know they are both unpopular.

At no point have you mentioned the UK protecting it's interests, get over yourself
Regards
DF

 

[Baldseagull]

Strategic protectionism to help grow our key industries, particuarly high tech. We are already amongst the world leaders, but we need to do more to develop, consume and export our high tech products. Agriculture also - not a fan of importing things that we are able to make here, especially food.

Essentially we have an opportunity to form ground breaking deals with all non-EU countries. Emerging countries in Africa. North America and Asia. The EU will continue to be the thorn in our side, but as long as we are in the position where global nations compete for our interest, then we can do very well out of this opportunity.

I am so sad to see you stuck in the sunlit uplands fantasy, get well soon.

 

[vegster]

I'm not sure there is much evidence the lack of British owned manufacturing is the fault of the EU though, its more to do with our approach to this area as a nation over the decades

Anyway, from Jan 1 we're a 3rd country freed from the shackles of the current UK trading agreement with the EU, the brave new world...

What export trade are we unable to do at present, where is the restriction, large tariffs? What's the biggest NEW single opportunity there is from day one. Is it in services or goods? Who's the buyer and how big is the opportunity?

I think our only growth industry will be the Border force and Customs and Excise employment, oh, and maybe stationary, we are going to be needing an awful lot of paper !

 

[Is it PotG?]

I think our only growth industry will be the Border force and Customs and Excise employment, oh, and maybe stationary, we are going to be needing an awful lot of paper !

StationEry.

 

[nicko31]

I think our only growth industry will be the Border force and Customs and Excise employment, oh, and maybe stationary, we are going to be needing an awful lot of paper !

But we getting away from all the EU bureaucracy

 

[nicko31]

I am so sad to see you stuck in the sunlit uplands fantasy, get well soon.

As ambiguous the response is, its the best effort from the leave side on here for a long long time

 

[Garry Nelson's teacher]

Strategic protectionism to help grow our key industries, particuarly high tech. We are already amongst the world leaders, but we need to do more to develop, consume and export our high tech products. Agriculture also - not a fan of importing things that we are able to make here, especially food.

Essentially we have an opportunity to form ground breaking deals with all non-EU countries. Emerging countries in Africa. North America and Asia. The EU will continue to be the thorn in our side, but as long as we are in the position where global nations compete for our interest, then we can do very well out of this opportunity.

Good to see a pro-Brexit voice other than from the usual suspects.

1. Strategic protectionism sounds intriguing. The devil would be in the detail, of course.

2. Agriculture is an interesting one. I thought one of the very few advantages attributed to Brexit was that it opened up the possibility of cheap food imports from outside the EU?

3. Ground breaking deal. Hmm. Not too many so far. Plus we have deals with these third party nations through the EU. Is there really a great opportunity? I recall one study that looked at the impact of a free trade deal with New Zealand would have a negligible impact on our GDP.

4. Yes that awful EU will continue to pester us by selling us stuff and buying our stuff. They'll just be less of it. And economic growth,

With respect, your posting does read rather like someone trying to make the best of a bad job.

 

[Is it PotG?]

Good to see a pro-Brexit voice other than from the usual suspects.



With respect, your posting does read rather like someone trying to make the best of a bad job.

I think it is now clear and obvious why some posters cba to post answers to questions, explanations nor justification.

However passionately eloquent or reasoned the wording is, it will be analysed then criticised by opponents.

That's just the way it is, and always will be, hence the more straightforward Leave Means Leave.

 

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[Is it PotG?]

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Did he not watch QT last evening, was all answered by the Mattmeister himself?

Planes, Trains and Automobiles,,,plans are in place.

#projectworryguts

 

[A1X]

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[Is it PotG?]

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The Guardian eh? Who'd have thought it?

 

[WATFORD zero]

Did he not watch QT last evening, was all answered by the Mattmeister himself?

Planes, Trains and Automobiles,,,plans are in place.

#projectworryguts

And I see the Government are all giving this same consistent message

Sharma pressed over post-Brexit concerns for vaccine supply

Cabinet minister Alok Sharma repeatedly failed to rule out that the supply of a coronavirus vaccine would not be affected by problems when the new arrangements come into force on January 1.

https://www.eveningexpress.co.uk/news/uk/sharma-pressed-over-post-brexit-concerns-for-vaccine-supply/

And you seem to have missed the question the last few times I have asked, because I'm sure you wouldn't be ignoring it so,

What NSC account did you used to post as ?

 

[Is it PotG?]

You seem to have missed the question the last few times I have asked, because I'm sure you wouldn't be ignoring it so,

What NSC account did you used to post as ?

Mornin' matey.

Hope you had a hearty breakfast and are feeling top of the shop.

What makes you think I had a previous account, not everyone feels the need to present themselves in different forms?

 

[Swansman]

Hi

Been about a year since you left the EU now. I heard a lot of people saying that you were going to turn into some third world country when it happened. Much like other non-EU states like Norway, Switzerland and Liechtenstein, where I guess they all must be starving and living in caves as they didnt even join the EU to begin with. Are you suffering as badly?