[Politics] Brexit

[nicko31]

It's all over, FINISHED 11 months ago ,unfortunately for you I'm here to keep on reminding you
Regards
DF

Hasn't even started yet, self imposed trade sanctions from January 1 and the Latvians at No.42 are still here...

 

[darkwolf666]

The thing is that if you look at the poll above there are a lot of posters who are still active all over the rest of the Board but never express an opinion here. I'd be genuinely interested in their view of how it's going and what we now need to do to meet their expectations when they voted for Brexit ?

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Sorry, I'm not picking on you, but yours are just a few names at random who voted leave on the poll. And that I recognise as being regular posters who post sensible stuff elsewhere (that I agree with) and I don't think I've fallen out with

I won't give you my reasons for voting leave at the time, but will say it shouldn't be happening now.

The World and Europe is a very different place and we should all now, more than ever, be pulling together, not in different directions.

Anyone who can't see that, and isn't named Boris, is surely a fool...

 

[nicko31]

I won't give you my reasons for voting leave at the time, but will say it shouldn't be happening now.

The World and Europe is a very different place and we should all now, more than ever, be pulling together, not in different directions.

Anyone who can't see that, and isn't named Boris, is surely a fool...

Too late, the public voted for self harm. Just a question of how much the government decides to impose on the population.

I can understand the reasoning behind a short EU transition to try and focus minds toward a trade deal, the problem though is infrastructure isn't ready and the pandemic taken resources off the preparation.

Seems highly irresponsible, they were offered more time and politically they could have sold it

 

[Randy McNob]

It's all over, FINISHED 11 months ago ,unfortunately for you I'm here to keep on reminding you
Regards
DF

If you did you would be contributing to the wrong debate. The debate is not about the referendum or leaving the EU but the impact of Brexit

 

[Pretty pink fairy]

If you did you would be contributing to the wrong debate. The debate is not about the referendum or leaving the EU but the impact of Brexit

If you read the soppy post from Watford bloke he says' how can we help you achieve ' I mean that's comedy gold of the highest order coming across as your friendly councillor on all things bad
Regards
DF

 

[WATFORD zero]

If you read the soppy post from Watford bloke he says' how can we help you achieve ' I mean that's comedy gold of the highest order coming across as your friendly councillor on all things bad
Regards
DF

The thing is that if you look at the poll above there are a lot of posters who are still active all over the rest of the Board but never express an opinion here. I'd be genuinely interested in their view of how it's going and what we now need to do to meet their expectations when they voted for Brexit ?

And then you get upset when your 'immigrants' with English as a second language outperform you constantly in every aspect of life, you ILLITERATE, racist, scrounging, anti-semite, homophobic, holocaust denying, nazi moron

 

[Motogull]

A quick visit as this seems the logical place to dump the tweet below. Chuckle.

[tweet]1326690221958815745[/tweet]

 

[WATFORD zero]

I won't give you my reasons for voting leave at the time, but will say it shouldn't be happening now.

The World and Europe is a very different place and we should all now, more than ever, be pulling together, not in different directions.

Anyone who can't see that, and isn't named Boris, is surely a fool...

Have to agree. Whether you still think Brexit is a good idea or not, I can't understand why the Government didn't extend when they had the opportunity given what we already knew about Covid at that point. Having said that, I'm still not convinced that we won't see an extension (called something else but still resulting in the UK running under the same obligations).

I can't see anyway that we will be prepared for any other eventuality in the next 6 weeks. Even a free trade deal won't get rid of all the customs checks and processes of being outside of the Customs Union. And there is still the NI/Ireland border issue

And it seems it is still not possible to put out a document to describe the processes involved.

Brexit: Fresh border chaos fears as ‘haulier handbook’ to prevent meltdown on 1 January is delayed

A “haulier handbook” to prevent Brexit border meltdown on 1 January has been delayed and will not be ready for another month, it has been revealed. The guide to the mountain of new red tape required to transport goods was promised in early September – but will now not be available in full until 7 December, little more than three weeks before it is needed.

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/brexit-border-handbook-delays-january-lorries-b1720990.html

 

[Thunder Bolt]

UKIP have become a parody of themselves.

[tweet]1326874688564424707[/tweet]

 

[WATFORD zero]

Brexit good news - Canada wants to 'rollover' EU trade deal to the UK

Brexit bad news - UK has insufficient Trade negotiators to do this by Jan 1st

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/brexit-canada-trade-deal-justin-trudeau-b1721692.html

Mr Trudeau said Britain was struggling to conclude an agreement rolling over the terms of the existing EU-Canada deal, and suggested that London does not have “the bandwidth” to get it done on time.

“Canada’s a really easy one. We’re there for it. We’d like to do it. So I’m very hopeful that it’s going to get done but that really is up to the UK government because we’re there for it.” Trudeau said that the Canadians “know how to negotiate trade deals”, having struck FTAs with every other G7 country and signed the Ceta deal with the EU in 2016, which removed most tariffs on trade.

He said he had offered assistance to the UK, which has relied on the EU for its negotiations since 1973.

“The UK hasn’t had to negotiate trade deals in the past few decades,” he said. “So there is an issue of not really having the bandwidth within government to move forward on this.”

If only someone had mentioned this a couple of years ago, we could have recruited some ..............oh

I assume that even though we haven't seen anything mentioned about it, we have recruited hundreds more trained and experienced trade negotiators over the last 2 years as part of our 'no deal' preparations. Maybe we headhunted them from the EU, as they have the largest pool of experienced trade negotiators of any trading bloc

Tick tock

 

[dejavuatbtn]

The thing is that if you look at the poll above there are a lot of posters who are still active all over the rest of the Board but never express an opinion here. I'd be genuinely interested in their view of how it's going and what we now need to do to meet their expectations when they voted for Brexit ?

[MENTION=28934]AmexRuislip[/MENTION] [MENTION=27239]atomised[/MENTION] [MENTION=24838]Bladders[/MENTION] [MENTION=33649]darkwolf666[/MENTION] [MENTION=17028]dejavuatbtn[/MENTION] [MENTION=3734]Giraffe[/MENTION] [MENTION=7]Mustafa[/MENTION] [MENTION=1804]sams dad[/MENTION] [MENTION=3887]Uncle Spielberg[/MENTION]

Sorry, I'm not picking on you, but yours are just a few names at random who voted leave on the poll. And that I recognise as being regular posters who post sensible stuff elsewhere (that I agree with) and I don't think I've fallen out with

With topics as controversial as this making comment either way is like putting your head above the parapet to have it blown off. My main problems with the EU is that it became something I didn’t sign up for in the first place and it went from being a friendly trading club to a bureaucratic nightmare run by non elects over which we got less and less control.
Personally I don’t want to be a bit player in today’s Eurostate but recognise that many do. I accept that there are many advantages to being part of the group, but not at all costs. You only have to look at how difficult they are making it for us to leave.
The way the whole referendum was handled was really dreadful - no one was able to put coherent arguments either way but the “stay” campaign just didn’t produce the information sufficient people needed to give them their vote.
Have my expectations been met? We haven’t got out of the mess yet. Is Boris the man to take us to the promised land (or anywhere)? No way. Would Labour have won the last election if Starmer had been in charge rather than Dickhead? Probably.
What’s my current priority? Staying alive long enough to get one of the new magic jabs.

 

[nicko31]

With topics as controversial as this making comment either way is like putting your head above the parapet to have it blown off. My main problems with the EU is that it became something I didn’t sign up for in the first place and it went from being a friendly trading club to a bureaucratic nightmare run by non elects over which we got less and less control.
Personally I don’t want to be a bit player in today’s Eurostate but recognise that many do. I accept that there are many advantages to being part of the group, but not at all costs. You only have to look at how difficult they are making it for us to leave.
The way the whole referendum was handled was really dreadful - no one was able to put coherent arguments either way but the “stay” campaign just didn’t produce the information sufficient people needed to give them their vote.
Have my expectations been met? We haven’t got out of the mess yet. Is Boris the man to take us to the promised land (or anywhere)? No way. Would Labour have won the last election if Starmer had been in charge rather than Dickhead? Probably.
What’s my current priority? Staying alive long enough to get one of the new magic jabs.

Bureaucratic nightmare eh, yeah no red tape for us from January 1st...

 

[dejavuatbtn]

Bureaucratic nightmare eh, yeah no red tape for us from January 1st...

Exactly - my view says the red tape is being put there by Europe in their obstinacy. I am sure your view is different and you are entitled to it.
I was, however, responding to someone else who was interested in why I voted how I did. It wasn’t for your benefit.

 

[Pretty pink fairy]

And then you get upset when your 'immigrants' with English as a second language outperform you constantly in every aspect of life, you ILLITERATE, racist, scrounging, anti-semite, homophobic, holocaust denying, nazi moron

You seem a little upset
Regards
DF

 

[nicko31]

Exactly - my view says the red tape is being put there by Europe in their obstinacy. I am sure your view is different and you are entitled to it.
I was, however, responding to someone else who was interested in why I voted how I did. It wasn’t for your benefit.

Well if you chose to be outside the SM / CU you will have red tape just like Morocco, Ukraine and other 3rd countries bordering the EU

Then there's compliance. All those products that will need to be re-certified to the new UKCA for example

The red tape is our choice and red tape we will have

Who was it that came up with the grand idea to bin all this red tape with common standards?

 

[dejavuatbtn]

Well if you chose to be outside the SM / CU you will have red tape just like Morocco, Ukraine and other 3rd countries bordering the EU

Then there's compliance. All those products that will need to be re-certified to the new UKCA for example

The red tape is our choice and red tape we will have

Who was it that came up with the grand idea to bin all this red tape with common standards?

Thanks for your input.

 

[Is it PotG?]

And then you get upset when your 'immigrants' with English as a second language outperform you constantly in every aspect of life, you ILLITERATE, racist, scrounging, anti-semite, homophobic, holocaust denying, nazi moron

Have you ever considered anger management courses GAP?

 

[WATFORD zero]

With topics as controversial as this making comment either way is like putting your head above the parapet to have it blown off. My main problems with the EU is that it became something I didn’t sign up for in the first place and it went from being a friendly trading club to a bureaucratic nightmare run by non elects over which we got less and less control.
Personally I don’t want to be a bit player in today’s Eurostate but recognise that many do. I accept that there are many advantages to being part of the group, but not at all costs. You only have to look at how difficult they are making it for us to leave.
The way the whole referendum was handled was really dreadful - no one was able to put coherent arguments either way but the “stay” campaign just didn’t produce the information sufficient people needed to give them their vote.
Have my expectations been met? We haven’t got out of the mess yet. Is Boris the man to take us to the promised land (or anywhere)? No way. Would Labour have won the last election if Starmer had been in charge rather than Dickhead? Probably.
What’s my current priority? Staying alive long enough to get one of the new magic jabs.

Thanks for the answer. I'm not the EU's biggest fan, but I see it as a necessary evil for any 21st century economy. I thought that British Governments of all political hues over the last 40 years had done a very good job of managing the creeping Eurostate that you were worried about, ensuring we didn't have any aspect of the EU that we didn't want. (Euro, Schengen, various rebates, vetoes and opt-outs etc etc). The main difference between us being that I thought we should fight for the UKs interests inside the EU.

I can't agree that the EU are making it difficult for us to leave though. Apart from the ongoing problem of sharing a land border with the EU (which, in any other circumstance could simply be resolved by putting in border and border posts), it should be very simple. Leave on 'no deal' and then negotiate any trade deals with the EU after we have left. There is obviously an economic hit, but it would get us out nice and simply. There is nothing the EU could do. The problem is that 4.5 years on, we still don't seem to have the political will or ability to plan and do that with it's associated economic hit.

Instead we want to keep some of the benefits of the EU and the EU are saying what I would say in that situation. 'Only if it is economically good for us'. And having a major economic power in Europe, not in the EU, who can use Government intervention on funding, welfare, standards, safety etc etc and consequently undercut the EU's own businesses, whilst having tariff free access to their markets was never going to happen.

Ah well, what will be will be. It was good to get another viewpoint on this as the only Two Pro Brexit posters on here these days seem to be lacking a little in quality and content. I'd better get back to answering them or more packs of crayons will needlessly suffer

Good luck with the Jabs and let's hope we all get through in order to moan the other side of this

 

[WATFORD zero]

You seem a little upset
Regards
DF

Have you ever considered anger management courses GAP?

It was just a very simple chronological list of the reasons for the various bans that Ppf has had on NSC

 

[Randy McNob]

Refreshing to read an honest leave voter opinion