[Politics] Brexit

[Mellotron]

Doesn't make a lot of difference if the reports of the EU saying no to an extension are true.

Understandable they make that statement at this moment in time. However, obviously the best scenario for the EU is the UK staying in, therefore it would be absolute insanity for them not to grant an extension for a People's Vote.

 

[Hugo Rune]

And keep doing People's Votes til we get the 'right' result eh?

Nope. Make referendums advisory or law making. The next one will be law making so we needn’t have another one until a government puts it in it’s election manifesto that it plans to change the law via a referendum.

EDIT: Looks like Parliament are well on the way to putting this back in the hands of the people.

 

[Is it PotG?]

Remain certainly showing some initiative with backs against the wall. Gracious and constructive in accepting the result no, consistently coming up with new sabotage plans yes.

 

[WATFORD zero]

Well how do you see it going?

Remain MP's demand a GE is agreed to before an extension, the opposite of what they have said all along?

Remain MP's show outrage that the gov won't agree to an election, when offered one 3 times and turned it down?

Boris loses VoC after just securing a deal with the EU, and if that were to happen he agrees to GE before when?

Parliament vote for a 2nd ref, which has never had a majority, which would change nothing, and would snatch away certainty for everyone and recovering confidence just when it was achieved? When more people in the country oppose a 2nd vote than support it, and everyone is sick to death of this and can see the end in sight?

None of those things seem believable to me.

I wonder if people may think I was a little presumptuous to make another prediction while I'm still waiting for my last one (from before the Tory leadership election) to be proven correct in each and every aspect

Impossible to make a prediction without knowing who the PM will be.

My good friend says she will make some completely impossible predictions then

1. Boris will get elected
2. He will try and 'rebrand' May's deal
3. We won't leave with 'no deal' on October 31st

(I guess that being proven correct with all her previous predictions on what would happen on every 'LEAVE means LEAVE' date so far, may have given her a completely unjustified level of confidence - we will see )

But If you really want, I'll give Meg a shout and see what she says

 

[Mellotron]

Parliament vote for a 2nd ref, which has never had a majority,

Nothing in the indicative votes has had a majority, yet 2nd Ref vote actually had the most AYES of anything in the 2nd round of IVs - 280. So it is the most popular option, far more popular than No Deal, for example.

which would change nothing,

A legally binding referendum with clearly defined options would change a lot. If Leave on Johnson's deal wins, we leave with Johnson's deal, beginning immediately. If Revoke wins, we revoke - a clean break from Brexit. Very simple.

and would snatch away certainty for everyone and recovering confidence just when it was achieved? When more people in the country oppose a 2nd vote than support it, and everyone is sick to death of this and can see the end in sight?

Eh? An end in sight? Brexit hasn't even STARTED yet FFS! If we leave now, that's the start of at least 10-20 years of hard negotiations, Brexit will continue to dominate the headlines for the foreseeable future - endless Brexit news. Exhausting, and everyone is sick of it. There is only one way that there is an "end" in sight.

None of those things seem believable to me.

As above.

 

[dingodan]

They literally just voted YES to allow a vote on a 2nd referendum, based on Johnson's deal being the one put forward.

287 to 275.

Also, bear in mind that 2nd ref only narrowly lost in the indicative votes months ago (just checked, it was by only 12 votes), and the swing of momentum has clearly only gone in one way since then.

Actually that vote was to make the motion on Saturday amendable, it wasn't about any specific amendments.

Also 287 to 275, when there are 650 seats in the HoC. Sounds like not everyone was present for that vote.

We'll see what they try to do on Saturday, but if they cause the deal to fall, they risk a no deal which they will be responsible for.

 

[Hugo Rune]

Well, he would say that wouldn't he ?

Of course. He’d completely undermine and utterly destroy the deal he has just negotiated by not taking that line.

His tune will soon change when Parliament kicks it out.

 

[Lever]

Parliament has to get behind this to reunite the country, it's a win-win surely even liberals would not risk taking a good spanking by the Brexit Party at a GA.


Boris, May, just have saved blood on the streets of London on Saturday.

I may have been premature on that one, there is always a first.

Your usual drivel, but you seem a bit calmer.

 

[Mellotron]

Actually that vote was to make the motion on Saturday amendable, it wasn't about any specific amendments.

Also 287 to 275, when there are 650 seats in the HoC. Sounds like not everyone was present for that vote.

We'll see what they try to do on Saturday, but if they cause the deal to fall, they risk a no deal which they will be responsible for.

No one's talking about causing the deal to fall. It is voting THROUGH the deal on the proviso that a confirmatory referendum is attached, which is a completely rational and logical thing to do - common practice in instances like this, and would certainly be undemocratic to oppose this.

And sorry, but I think you're being a little naive to think that the Letwin (coincidentally the same Letwin who put forward the 2nd ref IV that narrowly lost) amendment wasn't at least 99% about being able to add a 2nd referendum. There are positive noises coming from the HoC that they believe they have the numbers now, it would only take a 6 MP swing from the IVs.

Not a sure thing, absolutely, but eminently feasible and realistic. Odds would be 50-50, I would say.

 

[Stat Brother]

The last People's Vote.

 

[Is it PotG?]

The last People's Vote.

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Or, put another way

 

[WATFORD zero]

Remain certainly showing some initiative with backs against the wall. Gracious and constructive in accepting the result no, consistently coming up with new sabotage plans yes.

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You OK, Hun ?

 

[Mellotron]

The last People's Vote.

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"The Will of the People"

Disingenuous, lying **** s.

 

[Is it PotG?]

You OK, Hun ?

Fine. Last few days has cheered me up no end.

You should be too, apparently the EU were going to put a levy on emoji use.

 

[Stat Brother]

Or, put another way

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Write it on a bus.

 

[Is it PotG?]

Write it on a bus.

With Cliff Richard driving like in Summer Holiday?

 

[dingodan]

The last People's Vote.

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Ah, assume that everyone who didn't vote would have agreed with you.

Good plan.

Fact is a deal is done. Stability and the end of uncertainty is around the corner.

Are you going to stick to your hard remain guns and refuse to compromise?

If you get your 2nd vote, you would lose it anyway, and many of you calling for a 2nd vote would then go on to refuse to accept it again.

Thank f*ck this will be over in less than two weeks.

 

[Mellotron]

end of uncertainty is around the corner.

Thank f*ck this will be over in less than two weeks.

FFS.

Brexit hasn't even started yet!

We are still at Stage 1 of about 50 stages.

And Remain would definitely lose, despite Leave not being the preferred option since early 2017? OK then.

 

[drew]

Ah, assume that everyone who didn't vote would have agreed with you.

Good plan.

Fact is a deal is done. Stability and the end of uncertainty is around the corner.

Are you going to stick to your hard remain guns and refuse to compromise?

If you get your 2nd vote, you would lose it anyway, and many of you calling for a 2nd vote would then go on to refuse to accept it again.

Thank f*ck this will be over in less than two weeks.

 

[Kinky Gerbil]

Ah, assume that everyone who didn't vote would have agreed with you.

Good plan.

Fact is a deal is done. Stability and the end of uncertainty is around the corner.

Are you going to stick to your hard remain guns and refuse to compromise?

If you get your 2nd vote, you would lose it anyway, and many of you calling for a 2nd vote would then go on to refuse to accept it again.

Thank f*ck this will be over in less than two weeks.

This wont be over for years and years.

The next few elections will be about deals etc