[Politics] Brexit

[ManOfSussex]

Oh dear...........

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[JC Footy Genius]

Considering the thousands of posts about how the world was going to end if that dastardly Boris and the mythical disaster capitalist backers engineered a no-deal I would have expected more relief and positivity from the gloomerati if, as looks increasingly likely, a deal can be agreed and we avoid that outcome ..... but no, same old same old.

 

[Hugo Rune]

Oh dear...........

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Christ.

I can’t believe these Tory ****s have not worked Johnson out yet. He’ll do anything to remain in power[emoji38]

If that means throwing the DUP and ERG under the bus, then so be it. He only campaigned for Brexit as a strategic gamble to get a chance at being PM. Now that he is PM, he’d willingly cut his own father’s (and brother’s) throat if he thought it would get him extra time on the throne!

 

[clapham_gull]

Oh dear...........

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Mark "trained to kill" Francois livid apparently as well.



That's the problem with these get a deal Brexiteers negotiating, they are not true Brexiteers....

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[Gwylan]

I would have expected more relief and positivity from the gloomerati if, as looks increasingly likely, a deal can be agreed and we avoid that outcome ..... but no, same old same old.

Really? All he's done is gone back to the EU's proposal of a year ago - the one that May rejected - and accepted it. We could have done this by last November, instead we've had another year of pratting around. And you think that's something to be positive about?

It's also a deal that's going to cause an almighty row with Scotland, I can see this as the first step in the break-up of the UK

 

[Raleigh Chopper]

Why have you made the assumption that I voted leave just on the policy of immigration?

I haven't, I have picked up on you talking about the future for children and that you have been discussing immigration over the weekend along with a few other leave voters.
All I am saying is that if we have no deal there is a very strong possibility that we will have none of the very successful co operation between ourselves the other EU countries when it comes to counter terrorism, extradition and European arrest warrants.
Although we have twarted many possible attacks ourselves, hundreds of others have been stopped thanks to our partners in Europe.
You don't get to hear much about the ones that don't go off.
1 example. A terrorist tried to let a huge bomb off in Shepherds Bush, it failed because it was damp!
The perpetrator legged it to Italy, within 60 days he was found, arrested and extradited back here where he is now serving 40 years.
Good job he didn't go to America or many other countries including The Commonwealth.
It's a subject that has not been discussed much so I thought i would.
But to get rid of this partnership and the backstop problem could really cause us a whole heap of nasty problems after 31st.
We could be very much on our own trying to keep a lid on the movement of terrorists which has been highly successful to date.
It's so important that hopefully something can be sorted out even if we go no deal (god forbid)

 

[Raleigh Chopper]

What type of criminal record

Anything by Steps.

 

[clapham_gull]

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[JC Footy Genius]

Really? All he's done is gone back to the EU's proposal of a year ago - the one that May rejected - and accepted it. We could have done this by last November, instead we've had another year of pratting around. And you think that's something to be positive about?

It's also a deal that's going to cause an almighty row with Scotland, I can see this as the first step in the break-up of the UK

Yes really. Remainers on here always said our negotiating strategy should be, taking no deal off the table (parliament has done this)/ any deal is better than no deal.

First step in breaking up the UK was starting the devolution process .... they always want more.

 

[pastafarian]

trouble with indyref2 is if they get it they dont necessaryily win, and if they do win and gain independence they leave the EU anyway.

Surely if the jocks vote to leave our Union the remainers can simply say “no,we don’t like that result,sod the decision to Leave,lets remain in the UK instead”.Its the new rules on referendum voting ……..apparently,well if you are an undemocratic loon it’s the new rules.

 

[Gwylan]

Yes really. Remainers on here always said our negotiating strategy should be, taking no deal off the table (parliament has done this)/ any deal is better than no deal.

But why not leave last year? We could have left with exactly the same deal

 

[JC Footy Genius]

But why not leave last year? We could have left with exactly the same deal

I haven't seen the deal. Is it exactly the same?

 

[DavidinSouthampton]

Surely if the jocks vote to leave our Union the remainers can simply say “no,we don’t like that result,sod the decision to Leave,lets remain in the UK instead”.Its the new rules on referendum voting ……..apparently,well if you are an undemocratic loon it’s the new rules.

Mr Cameron ignored allbthe "rules" on refrrenda when he setbit up in the first place.......

............ maybe he's the undemocratic loon.

 

[clapham_gull]

With the ERG split down the middle (funny how compliant they become given a cabinet job) the DUP are now asking for "billions not millions" of sweeteners to agree to something that Theresa May said "No British Prime Minister could accept a border in the Irish sea" and Boris called a "monstrosity".

 

[pastafarian]

Mr Cameron ignored allbthe "rules" on refrrenda when he setbit up in the first place.......

............ maybe he's the undemocratic loon.

If you say so,here was me thinking the Referendum Act was passed legitimately by parliament.

 

[JC Footy Genius]

Surely if the jocks vote to leave our Union the remainers can simply say “no,we don’t like that result,sod the decision to Leave,lets remain in the UK instead”.Its the new rules on referendum voting ……..apparently,well if you are an undemocratic loon it’s the new rules.

Welcome back, you haven't missed much. Thicky/gullible/racists who shouldn't really be allowed to vote, especially in a referendum, which is a terrible form of democratic decision making, must vote again ... in a referendum etc. Also, this referendum should happen before a general election which is usually their preferred form of democracy because the polls don't look good for the forces of Remain/Revoke Oh and MoS still has a drink problem

 

[clapham_gull]

I haven't seen the deal. Is it exactly the same?

It's pretty much the original May one, except it's not a NI Backstop but a NI now-stop.

The only way of getting round the NI/Ireland border issue is to have a border between The UK and the whole of the the island of Ireland.

NI (semantically) is outside of the Customs Union, but the UK has to operate a border on behalf of the EU to "make it so".

Boris is struggling with the technical detail of how that border would operate, so the EU are threatening a backstop (NI on Customs Union) in case the now-stop doesn't work.

I'm gonna toss a coin and say the above is going "ok" but the arrangements require a long delay to make it happen.

This has split the ERG down the middle, the more pragmatic ones taking a "**** the DUP / We will be out anyway/Loving the ministerial car" position as opposed to the more pro-Unionist / WTO / No Deal / I thought I'd get something from Boris advocates.

They also sussed Boris was never serious about the deadline and he was actually never serious about no deal.

As Tories I'd also imagine they are pissed off he about to find Billions to bribe the ERG.

 

[pastafarian]

Welcome back, you haven't missed much. Thicky/gullible/racists who shouldn't really be allowed to vote, especially in a referendum, which is a terrible form of democratic decision making, must vote again ... in a referendum etc. Also, this referendum should happen before a general election which is usually their preferred form of democracy because the polls don't look good for the forces of Remain/Revoke Oh and MoS still has a drink problem

Nothing has changed then,knew i made a good decision to leave the country and pursue foreign porn interests.Is sunday still his big drinking day when the class warrior genie comes out the bottle?

 

[clapham_gull]

Number 10 now briefing they will chuck out any hard line ERG members who don't vote for the deal.

 

[pastafarian]

Whatever you think English cultures is, it doesn't exist. The Crusaders were mainly French. King Richard the Lionheart lived in France for most of his life, and only spoke French.
St George was Middle Eastern.

This is up there as one of the stupidest posts on this thread.
If there is no English culture there is obviously no American culture or Japanese culture or French, Spanish, Scottish, Welsh, Argentinian, Irish, Pakistani or Australian culture. You wouldn’t be so stupid as to suggest all other countries have cultures yet single out England as having none and being the only country with a non existent culture.
In which case, if there are no cultures what is the point of Multiculturalism?
Is it just England that has a non existent culture or is it every country?