[Politics] Brexit

[Guinness Boy]

That is John Mann the Tory you mean

How were the rest of the stories in your Morning Star today?

 

[Herr Tubthumper]

That they voted Leave, simple as. Labour no longer represents their views on this. Labour want to remain.

Labour has a lot of remainers as well. No political party can be everything to everyone. But at the core of Labour is general support for them; for the many and not the few etc. They should consider this as I can guarantee Boris or Farage doesn’t give a shit about them. The EU is a bit of a smokescreen in some senses.

 

[Garry Nelson's teacher]

Big Day today. What wheeze will Johnson come up with today to avoid his legal obligations? Will he write the letter to the EU requesting an extension and simply finish it with 'Not'? My goodness this govt is an national embarrassment and its leader confounds even those of us who had the lowest expectations. How much further can he sink?

 

[Deleted member 22389]

Labour has a lot of remainers as well. No political party can be everything to everyone. But at the core of Labour is general support for them; for the many and not the few etc. They should consider this as I can guarantee Boris or Farage doesn’t give a shit about them. The EU is a bit of a smokescreen in some senses.

We will have to wait and see.

 

[Pretty pink fairy]

That they voted Leave, simple as. Labour no longer represents their views on this. Labour want to remain.

They will suffer ,some remoaners on here have no concept of public feelings outside of the M25
Regards
DF

 

[Guinness Boy]

That they voted Leave, simple as. Labour no longer represents their views on this. Labour want to remain.

If every party supported Leave you'd leave 49% of those who voted in 2016 disenfranchised, plus many who didn't, plus some who have reached voting age afterwards. The job of the opposition is to oppose.

You Leavers seem to think that Brexit is the only issue in the country and that democracy ended the second that 17.4 million people in a population of 60 million voted in a single issue referendum.

 

[Pretty pink fairy]

Big Day today. What wheeze will Johnson come up with today to avoid his legal obligations? Will he write the letter to the EU requesting an extension and simply finish it with 'Not'? My goodness this govt is an national embarrassment and its leader confounds even those of us who had the lowest expectations. How much further can he sink?

Really? opinion polls suggest different , might be wrong,we'll find out when we have the election ??
regards
DF

 

[CHAPPERS]

They will suffer ,some remoaners on here have no concept of public feelings outside of the M25
Regards
DF

What about in Northern Ireland and Scotland? They aren't inside the M25. Or are we just talking about England?

 

[Pretty pink fairy]

If every party supported Leave you'd leave 49% of those who voted in 2016 disenfranchised, plus many who didn't, plus some who have reached voting age afterwards. The job of the opposition is to oppose.

You Leavers seem to think that Brexit is the only issue in the country and that democracy ended the second that 17.4 million people in a population of 60 million voted in a single issue referendum.

Could you explain what leave means ?, thanks
regards
DF

 

[Harry Wilson's tackle]

That is why I would never vote Labour again, they don't know what they are anymore, and have just turned in to a bunch of hypocrites in my opinion. The slide started with Blair and it hasn't recovered.

Come off it. Labour has always been a 'broad church'. Back in the 60s when I was a lad it talked the working class talk, comrade, but it was run by the Oxbridge elite. Wilson smoked a working class pipe in public, but cigars in private. Shouty communists were in a minority, but they were there. And it was all held together by a sense of common purpose and the odd pipe-dream such as clause IV.

The incongruity of a workers' party run by nobby intellectuals always grated with the middle class who may have sympathized with labour ideals but rejected the labour party because 'I'm not an effing labourer'. It took Tony Blair to sort it out - clause IV in the bin and 'new' labour vision. The noisiest complainers about Blair were old labour types who saw 'class betrayal' which, as explained above, was delusional. Even grass roots labour organization (outside of really old labour areas like Bury, Oldham etc, where much of the 20th century mores have failed to make inroads, luv) has been the thing of swivel eyed educated zealots, intent on 'no compromise with the electorate' which is why Blair tried and succeeded to put more decision power in the hands of the labour MPs. Working class labour supporters NEVER ran the labour party or informed its ideals. They caused trouble at conference, but that generally lead to embarrassment (shouty northerners on the telly are not vote-winners). Again, Blair neutered that distraction.

Labour lost its way when Brown took over - a man with no idea how to lead - followed by Milliband. Meanwhile the labour MPs became so detached from reality 50 of them put Corbyn on the ballot paper, not realizing they had done the equivalent of putting all the necessary ingredients into the pot to regenerate Lord Voldemort (the undead spirit of unreconstructed soviet socialism lives!). This exemplifies that with sloth comes calamity.

Not sure what sort of old labour you are (hard to see how you can claim to have been labour and yet declaim both Blair and Corbyn). Sounds to me like you have simply drifted to the right as you got older, as many do (sadly).

 

[Pretty pink fairy]

What about in Northern Ireland and Scotland? They aren't inside the M25. Or are we just talking about England?

nope all over regardless of which ever way you voted
Regards
DF

 

[Thunder Bolt]

What about in Northern Ireland and Scotland? They aren't inside the M25. Or are we just talking about England?

Brighton, Leeds & Newcastle are all outside the M25, too.

 

[Pretty pink fairy]

Come off it. Labour has always been a 'broad church'. Back in the 60s when I was a lad it talked the working class talk, comrade, but it was run by the Oxbridge elite. Wilson smoked a working class pipe in public, but cigars in private. Shouty communists were in a minority, but they were there. And it was all held together by a sense of common purpose and the odd pipe-dream such as clause IV.

The incongruity of a workers' party run by nobby intellectuals always grated with the middle class who may have sympathized with labour ideals but rejected the labour party because 'I'm not an effing labourer'. It took Tony Blair to sort it out - clause IV in the bin and 'new' labour vision. The noisiest complainers about Blair were old labour types who saw 'class betrayal' which, as explained above, was delusional. Even grass roots labour organization (outside of really old labour areas like Bury, Oldham etc, where much of the 20th century mores have failed to make inroads, luv) has been the thing of swivel eyed educated zealots, intent on 'no compromise with the electorate' which is why Blair tried and succeeded to put more decision power in the hands of the labour MPs. Working class labour supporters NEVER ran the labour party or informed its ideals. They caused trouble at conference, but that generally lead to embarrassment (shouty northerners on the telly are not vote-winners). Again, Blair neutered that distraction.

Labour lost its way when Brown took over - a man with no idea how to lead - followed by Milliband. Meanwhile the labour MPs became so detached from reality 50 of them put Corbyn on the ballot paper, not realizing they had done the equivalent of putting all the necessary ingredients into the pot to regenerate Lord Voldemort (the undead spirit of unreconstructed soviet socialism lives!). This exemplifies that with sloth comes calamity.

Not sure what sort of old labour you are (hard to see how you can claim to have been labour and yet declaim both Blair and Corbyn). Sounds to me like you have simply drifted to the right as you got older, as many do (sadly).

Keep that red flying H
regards
DF

 

[Pretty pink fairy]

Come off it. Labour has always been a 'broad church'. Back in the 60s when I was a lad it talked the working class talk, comrade, but it was run by the Oxbridge elite. Wilson smoked a working class pipe in public, but cigars in private. Shouty communists were in a minority, but they were there. And it was all held together by a sense of common purpose and the odd pipe-dream such as clause IV.

The incongruity of a workers' party run by nobby intellectuals always grated with the middle class who may have sympathized with labour ideals but rejected the labour party because 'I'm not an effing labourer'. It took Tony Blair to sort it out - clause IV in the bin and 'new' labour vision. The noisiest complainers about Blair were old labour types who saw 'class betrayal' which, as explained above, was delusional. Even grass roots labour organization (outside of really old labour areas like Bury, Oldham etc, where much of the 20th century mores have failed to make inroads, luv) has been the thing of swivel eyed educated zealots, intent on 'no compromise with the electorate' which is why Blair tried and succeeded to put more decision power in the hands of the labour MPs. Working class labour supporters NEVER ran the labour party or informed its ideals. They caused trouble at conference, but that generally lead to embarrassment (shouty northerners on the telly are not vote-winners). Again, Blair neutered that distraction.

Labour lost its way when Brown took over - a man with no idea how to lead - followed by Milliband. Meanwhile the labour MPs became so detached from reality 50 of them put Corbyn on the ballot paper, not realizing they had done the equivalent of putting all the necessary ingredients into the pot to regenerate Lord Voldemort (the undead spirit of unreconstructed soviet socialism lives!). This exemplifies that with sloth comes calamity.

Not sure what sort of old labour you are (hard to see how you can claim to have been labour and yet declaim both Blair and Corbyn). Sounds to me like you have simply drifted to the right as you got older, as many do (sadly).

Keep that red flag flying H
regards
DF

 

[Harry Wilson's tackle]

Big Day today. What wheeze will Johnson come up with today to avoid his legal obligations? Will he write the letter to the EU requesting an extension and simply finish it with 'Not'? My goodness this govt is an national embarrassment and its leader confounds even those of us who had the lowest expectations. How much further can he sink?

The story is he is going to write two letters (just like he did when he came out as a Brexitter) but this time sending both.

Actually it would be the easiest thing in the world for him to deliberately mishandle his engagement with the EU so we tumble out with no deal. All he needs to do then is say 'well, I tried, and in any case we are now free - it is a great day for the UK - we have left the EU!' and there would be nothing anyone could do about it. The he'll call a general election without having to worry about the Brexit party. Simples.

 

[CHAPPERS]

Brighton, Leeds & Newcastle are all outside the M25, too.

Bristol, Bath but of coruse these are university towns and the voices of those pesky students are to be ignored anyway.

 

[jimhigham]

..the questions asked by a human at the desk are slightly defunct nowadays with the internet being able to provide someone with a decent answer to any question just as long as they remember their research.

Something I forgot to mention earlier. A person may have rehearsed their lines to the last detail but sometimes simply can't stop "bricking it". Shakes, sweats, looking anywhere but at you. Behavioural indicators that the gates won't notice but an officer will.

That said, I'd imagine tech is well on the way to picking up on that too. How long before gates are picking up on niceties like heart rate and so on?

Nothing to do with Brexit. Just interesting.

 

[WATFORD zero]

Could you explain what leave means ?, thanks
regards
DF

And therein lies the problem. Which version would you like explained ?

I can't honestly believe that, 3 and a bit years on, the penny has finally dropped

 

[WATFORD zero]

They will suffer ,some remoaners on here have no concept of public feelings outside of the M25
Regards
DF

What about in Northern Ireland and Scotland? They aren't inside the M25. Or are we just talking about England?

Brighton, Leeds & Newcastle are all outside the M25, too.

Bristol, Bath but of coruse these are university towns and the voices of those pesky students are to be ignored anyway.

And It's moments like this that I remember why I don't have Ppf and his friends on ignore

 

[Gwylan]

Working class labour supporters NEVER ran the labour party or informed its ideals.

That's completely untrue: Hardie, Henderson, Adamson, McDonald. Clynes, Lansbury, Wilson and Callaghan were all leaders of the Labour party and all from working class backgrounds - in most cases, desperately poor ones too.