[Politics] Brexit

[nicko31]

Without a doubt. They'll be many more.

It's hard for one nation Tories to stay now.

If Boris breaks the law as has been hinted, there will be many many more. Tories have lost the plot, a narrow English sect with a hint of fascism...

 

[lawros left foot]

Haha yes he has.
I’m a Tory, and a don’t care in or outer, just want it sorted.
BUT as a trade union member I got to vote in the Labour leadership votes.
I voted for Corbyn purely because I knew that would stop Labour getting back as a government, as did many of my colleagues.

It must have broken your heart, when he took May’s majority 2017.

 

[Mellotron]

Haha yes he has.
I’m a Tory, and a don’t care in or outer, just want it sorted.
BUT as a trade union member I got to vote in the Labour leadership votes.
I voted for Corbyn purely because I knew that would stop Labour getting back as a government, as did many of my colleagues.

“Just want it sorted” - in which case the last thing you’d want is a No Deal Brexit, as that would mean us not being sorted for 20-30 years. Endless Brexit in the papers for the next few decades.

 

[Lincoln Imp]

Another week starts, so a quick hats-off to Nicholas Soames, talking about Jacob Rees-Mogg in The Times yesterday. I didn't know he had it in him. (It is best read in Soames's fruity Etonian boom.)

""He is an absolute fraud... a living example of what a moderately cut double-breasted suit and a decent tie can do with an ultra-posh voice and a bit of ginger stuck up his arse."

Great stuff. (Of Johnson, Winnie's grandson said: "(he's) nothing like Winston Churchill. Winston Churchill was like Winston Churchill because of his experiences in life." Johnson's experiences of life, Soames says, consist of telling lies about the EU in Brussels and then becoming prime minister.

What have we descended to.

 

[JC Footy Genius]

Another week starts, so a quick hats-off to Nicholas Soames, talking about Jacob Rees-Mogg in The Times yesterday. I didn't know he had it in him. (It is best read in Soames's fruity Etonian boom.)

""He is an absolute fraud... a living example of what a moderately cut double-breasted suit and a decent tie can do with an ultra-posh voice and a bit of ginger stuck up his arse."

Great stuff. (Of Johnson, Winnie's grandson said: "(he's) nothing like Winston Churchill. Winston Churchill was like Winston Churchill because of his experiences in life." Johnson's experiences of life, Soames says, consist of telling lies about the EU in Brussels and then becoming prime minister.

What have we descended to.

I know ... it's utterly appalling and shameful when a significant proportion of the country has the arrogance to think it's completely acceptable to ignore democratic results they don't like.

Meanwhile, despite all the breathless excitement on NSC about the remain/rebel alliance apparent success in delaying Brexit and the problems for the government the latest poll gives Boris a 14% lead.

https://twitter.com/britainelects/status/1170427559517048834

 

[Hampster Gull]

Another week starts, so a quick hats-off to Nicholas Soames, talking about Jacob Rees-Mogg in The Times yesterday. I didn't know he had it in him. (It is best read in Soames's fruity Etonian boom.)

""He is an absolute fraud... a living example of what a moderately cut double-breasted suit and a decent tie can do with an ultra-posh voice and a bit of ginger stuck up his arse."

Great stuff. (Of Johnson, Winnie's grandson said: "(he's) nothing like Winston Churchill. Winston Churchill was like Winston Churchill because of his experiences in life." Johnson's experiences of life, Soames says, consist of telling lies about the EU in Brussels and then becoming prime minister.

What have we descended to.

I know....the extreme right have torn their party apart, they don’t care. They care even less about what they have done to this great country. history will judge the for what they are

 

[WATFORD zero]

I know ... it's utterly appalling and shameful when a significant proportion of the country has the arrogance to think it's completely acceptable to ignore democratic results they don't like.

Meanwhile, despite all the breathless excitement on NSC about the remain/rebel alliance apparent success in delaying Brexit and the problems for the government the latest poll gives Boris a 14% lead.

https://twitter.com/britainelects/status/1170427559517048834

Just when you think it's been another depressing week for the leave campaign and voters, with more resignations including close family members, Johnson's plans falling apart, Leave voters finding out what the word 'advisory' means (I think 'parliamentary democracy' may take a while longer), and all appears darkness and despair,

along comes one of your polls or [MENTION=22389]bashlsdir[/MENTION]'s job adverts to lift the spirits and fortify them for the week ahead

 

[bluenitsuj]

Completely agree Mouldy.

What I can't stand about this thread, is Remainers trying every argument in the book to get their way, quoting this 'fact' and that 'fact'. The Referendum was only advisory, we didn't vote for this, etc, etc. Then they start calling us names, and challenging our intelligence. I'm cleverer than you, I know more than you, you must be thick to have voted Leave, etc. etc. One particular poster is fond of using the term 'moron'. What a lovely chap, and no doubt not as brave without the protection of the Internet.

I have personal reasons for wanting to leave the EU. I have friends who feel the same way. Lack of good school places available to British nationals, trades people with families to feed being constantly undercut by EU workers, people on NHS waiting lists for months because of health tourism.

If we do leave the EU, I'm going to be very happy. If we don't, for me, democracy has died.

(By the way Remainers, don't bother wasting your time spending hours replying to this. Don't use your clever words, 'funny' putdowns and 'facts'. Don't pat each other on the back for the smartest way you can attack someone who has a different opinion to you. I'm not reading another post on this thread).

Well said.

 

[midnight_rendezvous]

I know ... it's utterly appalling and shameful when a significant proportion of the country has the arrogance to think it's completely acceptable to ignore democratic results they don't like.

Meanwhile, despite all the breathless excitement on NSC about the remain/rebel alliance apparent success in delaying Brexit and the problems for the government the latest poll gives Boris a 14% lead.

https://twitter.com/britainelects/status/1170427559517048834

But like all democratic results we can change our minds if we want to. That’s why it’s called democracy.

 

[Harry Wilson's tackle]

You've rather over simplified how they work. The scanners scan the biometric data in the passport and take a photo of the persons face attempting to enter. A comparison is then made to check they are one and the same person. Not only does a computer carry out this check so does an immigration officer - they just aren't in front of you. Along side that a check is done of numerous databases such as the black list. It also checks that the traveller has the correct visa if one is required. So it's hardly letting people in 'no questions asked'.

Risky challenging [MENTION=13715]jimhigham[/MENTION] on this....I take it you haven't read his post about the short Albion career of Emeka Ifiajagwa?

 

[Ernest]

I know ... it's utterly appalling and shameful when a significant proportion of the country has the arrogance to think it's completely acceptable to ignore democratic results they don't like.

Meanwhile, despite all the breathless excitement on NSC about the remain/rebel alliance apparent success in delaying Brexit and the problems for the government the latest poll gives Boris a 14% lead.

https://twitter.com/britainelects/status/1170427559517048834

That's not the latest poll , so calm down

 

[Harry Wilson's tackle]

Well said.

But wrong

 

[Fungus]

At this rate, we'll have to clarify our use of "leave" and "remain" - does it refer to Brexit, or Tory MPs...

 

[Harry Wilson's tackle]

It must have broken your heart, when he took May’s majority 2017.

A tory trade union member? Voted Corbyn to keep labour out? Wants it sorted?

I recall someone close to me, some years ago, so disgusted with Blair's weak socialism, insufficiently red in tooth in claw, he was threatening to jolly well vote tory.

Yes, dear. OK love.

 

[BLOCK F]

See post above.

I am yet again reminded of John Alderton attempting to educate Duffy in 'please sir'.

Duffy hmm, I only had eyes for Sharon Eversleigh played by the lovely Carol Hawkins!

 

[WATFORD zero]

Completely agree Mouldy.

What I can't stand about this thread, is Remainers trying every argument in the book to get their way, quoting this 'fact' and that 'fact'. The Referendum was only advisory, we didn't vote for this, etc, etc. Then they start calling us names, and challenging our intelligence. I'm cleverer than you, I know more than you, you must be thick to have voted Leave, etc. etc. One particular poster is fond of using the term 'moron'. What a lovely chap, and no doubt not as brave without the protection of the Internet.

I have personal reasons for wanting to leave the EU. I have friends who feel the same way. Lack of good school places available to British nationals, trades people with families to feed being constantly undercut by EU workers, people on NHS waiting lists for months because of health tourism.

If we do leave the EU, I'm going to be very happy. If we don't, for me, democracy has died.

(By the way Remainers, don't bother wasting your time spending hours replying to this. Don't use your clever words, 'funny' putdowns and 'facts'. Don't pat each other on the back for the smartest way you can attack someone who has a different opinion to you. I'm not reading another post on this thread).

Well said.

A fair summary of a significant number of leave voters in their own words

I'm not reading another post on this thread).

Wonder if he'll manage to stay away as long as his friend [MENTION=2719]Mouldy Boots[/MENTION]

 

[jimhigham]

Risky challenging [MENTION=13715]jimhigham[/MENTION] on this....I take it you haven't read his post about the short Albion career of Emeka Ifiajagwa?

In fairness, Westdene Seagull clearly knows their stuff.

Emeka though. You really had to be there.

 

[Westdene Seagull]

From the level of detail in your reply, I suspect you and I may have the same job. In which case, greetings and regards to you. While you are correct in outlining the process, I am also correct in stating that no questions are actually asked (unless the passenger is rejected and an officer is required to complete the assessment).

In any event, this is slightly tangential to my point. The majority of people that will admit to immigration being their primary concern will not share our understanding of the processes at play. My point is that those same people would most likely be dismayed if they were aware of how the border operates currently and, possibly, following our departure.

I actually suspect we don't have the same job. Rather you come from the process and enforcement side ( i.e. you're something to do with Border Force ) while I come from the technology side. Only reason I know a bit about it is that I read about it from an article in the IT trade press - Computing I think. It interested me because of the facial recognition tech. So I did a little more research. I agree 'no questions' in it's exact definition is correct but let's be honest, the questions asked by a human at the desk are slightly defunct nowadays with the internet being able to provide someone with a decent answer to any question just as long as they remember their research.

 

[Raleigh Chopper]

Well said.

But it's not well said at all is it.
It's the ramblings of blithering idiot who has run away with his fingers in his ears like a 10 year old.

 

[ManOfSussex]

I love the smell of not now having an MP, who's a Tory cabinet minister in the morning. Smells like...........victory.

The below is the transcript of a letter sent to Ms Rudd last week, signed by the Hastings & Rye Labour, Lib Dem and Green parties. It's good she did as she was told:

As we meet to sign this letter, the country is still reeling from an unprecedented attack on the sovereignty of Parliament – by our own Government. We were in agreement with you when, back in June, you were interviewed on Hastings Pier and condemned any attempt to stop Parliament doing its job of protecting the best interests of the British people, British businesses and our public services. Indeed, you said:

‘I think it’s outrageous to consider proroguing parliament. We are not Stuart kings’.

Imagine our profound disappointment that you not only accepted a position in Boris Johnson’s government and abandoned your Remainer convictions, but have now said nothing in opposition to the Prime Minister’s decision to prorogue Parliament.

You have, in our view, let yourself, and the people of Hastings and Rye down. We, the under-signed, now demand that you resign from Boris Johnson’s cabinet.

If you will not, you should have the courage to explain to the constituency, in writing, the reasons for your refusal, and for your public silence on this most crucial of issues. We look forward to your swift response.