Thunder Bolt
Silly old bat
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DF
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[Politics] Brexit
- Thread starter KingstonSeagull
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Gwylan voted Leave.
It is very difficult. Much has been written about it. Many have repeatedly stated that voting leave was like voting to fly. Learning how to grow wings, etc, is not straightforward. Nor, on reflection, is it necessarily advisable.
As for your desire for haste, again as many have said, it is much better to make the right decision than the quickest. If we are going to leave, let's leave wisely. If we can't leave wisely, let's not leave.
Also, I prefer to not leave and you (I am guessing) prefer to leave, which may explain your desire for haste and mine for consideration. Fancy that!
KZNSeagull
Well-known member
It is very difficult. Much has been written about it. Many have repeatedly stated that voting leave was like voting to fly. Learning how to grow wings, etc, is not straightforward. Nor, on reflection, is it necessarily advisable.
As for your desire for haste, again as many have said, it is much better to make the right decision than the quickest. If we are going to leave, let's leave wisely. If we can't leave wisely, let's not leave.
Also, I prefer to not leave and you (I am guessing) prefer to leave, which may explain your desire for haste and mine for consideration. Fancy that!
My point was that our politicians cannot make decisions. 3 years so far and we are no further forward. That is not haste, that is hopeless leadership from the whole lot of them.
theonlymikey
New member
- Apr 21, 2016
- 789
When you fling Corbyn as being in bed with elites they you know you're talking absolute rubbish.
Name some.
It still goes back to taking the public`s view and abiding by the result ,and includes Labour voters and others ,it would not look good if they ignored the result . So they have been trying ever since against a Remain parliament and Labour who are chopping and changing over Brexit but just want to get into power to bring massive changes to the economy it will be down to the public again to give whatever mandate .
One thing confuses me. Let us imagine Boris wanted a no deal Brexit. As I said recently, this is rational; why not leave with no deal, ride the storm, then negiociate later when everyone's minds are focused? It is not what I want but if I were a Brexiteer I'd like it.
He could easily have spent the last several weeks in Brussels, 'attempting' to negotiate a deal, fail and we hard Brexit.
Instead he has antagonized parliament, played knavish tricks, somehow made Corbyn look statesmanlike, and lost every vote.
Now he's on the radio saying 'OK, I accept the outcome and will go to Brussels and get a deal before Oct 31'.
Why the actual **** say that, when he knows he won't get a deal on Oct 31 unless it is May's deal? If he comes back and says 'I failed because I refused to keep the backstop' (his only stance on Brexit) the result will be the can will be kicked down the road again (if the EU agree).
Hang on, though, if his plan is to hard Brexit then that is what will happen, surely? If he gets no deal by Oct 31....the EU will say 'ta ta' unless we ask for an extension. But Boris won't ask for an extension.
So the 'anti no deal' bill is toothless surely unless Boris either reinstates May's deal or Boris requests and gets an extension (which is something he would rather 'die in a ditch' than do).
Is Boris simply hoping the EU wil let us drift out with no deal? How will that make him look? He has now promised a deal by Oct 31 - how the **** will he manage that?
More importantly how can we ensure the EU agree to an extension if Boris doesn't ask for one (or asks in a way it is bound to be nit granted).
Smart people please help me out here !!!
He could easily have spent the last several weeks in Brussels, 'attempting' to negotiate a deal, fail and we hard Brexit.
Instead he has antagonized parliament, played knavish tricks, somehow made Corbyn look statesmanlike, and lost every vote.
Now he's on the radio saying 'OK, I accept the outcome and will go to Brussels and get a deal before Oct 31'.
Why the actual **** say that, when he knows he won't get a deal on Oct 31 unless it is May's deal? If he comes back and says 'I failed because I refused to keep the backstop' (his only stance on Brexit) the result will be the can will be kicked down the road again (if the EU agree).
Hang on, though, if his plan is to hard Brexit then that is what will happen, surely? If he gets no deal by Oct 31....the EU will say 'ta ta' unless we ask for an extension. But Boris won't ask for an extension.
So the 'anti no deal' bill is toothless surely unless Boris either reinstates May's deal or Boris requests and gets an extension (which is something he would rather 'die in a ditch' than do).
Is Boris simply hoping the EU wil let us drift out with no deal? How will that make him look? He has now promised a deal by Oct 31 - how the **** will he manage that?
More importantly how can we ensure the EU agree to an extension if Boris doesn't ask for one (or asks in a way it is bound to be nit granted).
Smart people please help me out here !!!
theonlymikey
New member
- Apr 21, 2016
- 789
I honestly feel that some people really haven't got the flavour of the public over all this, cataclysmic destruction of the liberal elite on the horizon i can see it coming
regards
DF
You only have the flavour of DM and Express readers .
By failing to acknowledge other tabloids you are exposed to confirmation bias.
Pretty pink fairy
Banned
- Jan 30, 2008
- 31,981
Mmmmm....I would rather view it as due process. Anyway, we shall see....All the best.
Thunder Bolt
Silly old bat
One thing confuses me. Let us imagine Boris wanted a no deal Brexit. As I said recently, this is rational; why not leave with no deal, ride the storm, then negiociate later when everyone's minds are focused? It is not what I want but if I were a Brexiteer I'd like it.
He could easily have spent the last several weeks in Brussels, 'attempting' to negotiate a deal, fail and we hard Brexit.
Instead he has antagonized parliament, played knavish tricks, somehow made Corbyn look statesmanlike, and lost every vote.
Now he's on the radio saying 'OK, I accept the outcome and will go to Brussels and get a deal before Oct 31'.
Why the actual **** say that, when he knows he won't get a deal on Oct 31 unless it is May's deal? If he comes back and says 'I failed because I refused to keep the backstop' (his only stance on Brexit) the result will be the can will be kicked down the road again (if the EU agree).
Hang on, though, if his plan is to hard Brexit then that is what will happen, surely? If he gets no deal by Oct 31....the EU will say 'ta ta' unless we ask for an extension. But Boris won't ask for an extension.
So the 'anti no deal' bill is toothless surely unless Boris either reinstates May's deal or Boris requests and gets an extension (which is something he would rather 'die in a ditch' than do).
Is Boris simply hoping the EU wil let us drift out with no deal? How will that make him look? He has now promised a deal by Oct 31 - how the **** will he manage that?
More importantly how can we ensure the EU agree to an extension if Boris doesn't ask for one (or asks in a way it is bound to be nit granted).
Smart people please help me out here !!!
Boris Johnson often says the first thing that comes into his head.
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/po...nt-solve-our-problems-says-Boris-Johnson.html
Writing for The Daily Telegraph, he says that if Britain left the EU, “we would have to recognise that most of our problems are not caused” by Brussels.
However, the London Mayor claims the “question of EU membership is no longer of key importance to the destiny of this country”. The political row risks overshadowing more important weaknesses in the economy.
“If we left the EU, we would end this sterile debate, and we would have to recognise that most of our problems are not caused by “Bwussels”, but by chronic British short-termism, inadequate management, sloth, low skills, a culture of easy gratification and underinvestment in both human and physical capital and infrastructure,” the London Mayor says.
“Why are we still, person for person, so much less productive than the Germans? That is now a question more than a century old, and the answer is nothing to do with the EU. In or out of the EU, we must have a clear vision of how we are going to be competitive in a global economy.”
The more eagle eyed of you will have spotted this was 6 years ago, but it shows you that Boris isn't definitely against the EU, but is just doing what his political masters are telling him to do.
So are you suggesting that the answer to 'not being able to make a decision', would be better served by just 'making one', in order to speed up the process?
JC Footy Genius
Bringer of TRUTH
- Jun 9, 2015
- 10,568
When you fling Corbyn as being in bed with elites they you know you're talking absolute rubbish.
Name some.
*NewsFlash* for Mikey ... Corbyn is a lifelong Eurosceptic who leads a party that is overwhelmingly pro-Remain. He prefers power to his principles.
Goldman Sachs, CitiGroup, Morgan Stanley, JP Morgan donating hundreds of thousands to the Remain campaign all thank you for your conversion to the dark side.
theonlymikey
New member
- Apr 21, 2016
- 789
- Jul 10, 2003
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The day we revoke article 50 we can move on.
It is estimated that a 'soft Brexit' will take another two years of negotiation (the 'transition period')with the EU on the Trade Deal following the agreement of the WA. The original estimate from invoking Article 50 to agreeing the WA (the easy part) was 2 years !
JRM has estimated 50 years to see the benefits of 'no deal' and most 'experts' agree that we will still be renegotiating deals at the end of that period.
What's pointing out the fact that Macron wasn't keen on the last extension in any way 'not shouldering the blame' ? Bizarre whataboutism there Clampy. The main point being that nobody - remainers nor leavers - can guarantee the EU will grant another extension. Unless of course you can prove differently ?
ManOfSussex
We wunt be druv
It's an angst filled mixture of confused rage and despair from him. It's been pitiful to watch him for a quite a while now, he's been exposed as yesterday's man who backed the wrong horse for a long time, but you can sort of understand it now in the current climate - Johnson rides in to save the day, full of bravado and derring do, Brexit on the 31st October no if's or but's ......................and completely ****s it all up in next to no time and it ends up with the anti-christ himself - Jeremy Corbyn - having his old Etonian, Brexit hero completely owned and in the top pocket of his favourite cream jacket blazer.
Where and when did he say this?
- Jul 10, 2003
- 27,708
I'm going with my two learned friends, I can't believe you sheeple haven't seen it
I'm off to Southwick Tunnel just now to sign up
Garry Nelson's teacher
Well-known member
Goodness me - that's a bit rich after the shenanigans of Vote Leave.
- Jul 10, 2003
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