[Politics] Brexit

[Lever]

I think there is a massive campaign going on to try and brainwash the public with their bullshit and some like us will not buy It.
Ps, you forgot to mention 'I don't know what party I support Chukka!'

No.... that happened in the 2016 referendum and you were taken in.
What, no emoticons?

 

[Murray 17]

The Brexit company have announced a candidate for Lewes, should there be a general election. Maria Caufield is an ERG member, voted for Johnson as Prime MInister and all round 'good' Tory back bencher who does everything her leadership tells her to do. The Brexit candidate is going to split the Leave vote completely, which will probably return Lewes back to Libdem.

https://www.sussexexpress.co.uk/new...ty-selects-lewes-election-candidate-1-9054036

I think the Tories and Brexit Party need to get together in constituencies like this, and agree on one stepping aside. Rather like the Lib Dems and Greens have done.

 

[Harry Wilson's tackle]

You entire post is just arrogant ranting, which seems to be a trend amongst people who don't want to leave the EU. But take the above as a classic example of what you and others have done in this debate.

There is no politician for whom leaving the EU has been a "serious" goal. Leaving the EU is the "desire of madmen".

The question as to whether we are members of the EU or not, is a question about whether we are governed from Westminster or Brussels.

You can't imagine that any serious politician would consider it a serious aim to change the situation from one of being governed from another country to one of being governed from their own country?

You can't imagine that that would actually be a serious and sincere matter of principle for anyone other than a madman?

The toxicity in the Brexit debate has mostly been a result of people with sincere and substantive concerns over matters of meaningful principle, being derided and cast as mad or nasty or similar, while their views have been dismissed as somehow pretend or delusional.

When you hate the views of other people so much that you are willing to convince yourself that those people don't really have those views, you have lost your ability to think straight, and more importantly you have given up on the need to even bother considering in any depth what those views might really be or why they might be held at all.

Your arrogance is a tragic blend of embarassing and (genuinely) sad.

You seem incapable of following a narrative. You took a couple of lines out of my original post, misread them, put them into your own context, then wrote a couple of lines of incoherent nonsense about it. You have no idea what 'genuinely sad' means. I never took you to be a bellend but, boy, you're acting like one. And....now you're on ignore.

 

[dingodan]

You seem incapable of following a narrative. You took a couple of lines out of my original post, misread them, put them into your own context, then wrote a couple of lines of incoherent nonsense about it. You have no idea what 'genuinely sad' means. I never took you to be a bellend but, boy, you're acting like one. And....now you're on ignore.

Reading your post made me feel sad.

Genuinely.

 

[Deleted member 2719]

No.... that happened in the 2016 referendum and you were taken in.
No emoticons?

A picture paints a thousand words.

You left your webcam on Lever.

 

[Harry Wilson's tackle]

And back on planet Earth....if Boris gets a deal like he still claims is his goal, and he can get it through parliament (May HAD a deal, let's not forget, and Boris was one of those who opposed it) and it all turns out reasonably undamaging after we have left, I will give Boris his dues. He will have minimised the potential damage of Brexit.

If he takes us to the sunny uplands, I will applaud him.

Everything else is speculation.

It was all avoidable and unnecessary, though, in my view.

We shall see.....bounce me, someone, when the loveliness is upon us, and I will acknowledge my error. But, please, genuine loveliness, not just freedom from curved cucumbers, and the return of the blue passport. And no sneaky ignoring people losing their jobs, now.

 

[Deleted member 2719]

Reading your post made me feel sad.

Genuinely.

I bet your gutted HWT has put you on ignore.

 

[theonlymikey]

And if they lost a second referendum, they'd want a third.

Again. The original referendum gave us a "what" for the outcome.

A second referendum would give the opportunity to choose a brexit or remain.

If you are so democratic you wouldn't have anything to worry about, right?

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[beorhthelm]

The deal BJ said is dead unless the backstop is removed even though the ERG would still vote against it? That deal? That's very helpful isn't it.

the backstop can be tweeked, political declaration adjusted if there something meanginful, so its not dead is it. ERG is in government now so their objection, bar a few ultras, will wilt. point is the official policy to do a deal, prepare for no deal, not do no deal.

 

[theonlymikey]

"its only no deal on the table " ....!
thats not true though, is it ?
have you been paying attention ?

I have, have you?

You're trying to suggest a deal voted down three times, that no10 has said is dead and won't be brought back to the house and even if the negotiated backstop is removed the ERG would vote against it is "Still on the table".





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[theonlymikey]

the backstop can be tweeked, political declaration adjusted if there something meanginful, so its not dead is it. ERG is in government now so their objection, bar a few ultras, will wilt. point is the official policy to do a deal, prepare for no deal, not do no deal.

"tweaked" in what way?

Theres either a backstop or there isn't.

What's the tweak and why don't the experts know about it?

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[Murray 17]

The backstop was put there by the Tory party to get around the problem in Ireland. Breaking the Good Friday agreement which is an international treaty, is not an option, or else it is a hard border.

I would have thought the EU put it there, seeing as the Tories have spent so much effort trying to get it removed.

 

[Lever]

A picture paints a thousand words.

You left your webcam on Lever.

That's better Mouldy.... you're clearly much more comfortable with borrowed pictures than you are with words - but you seem to have had a sense of humour by-pass......

 

[Dave the OAP]

When you voted to leave were you in full knowledge of the facts about the northern Irish border?

Of course, we never believed Boris or Nigel as they are liars.

So we believed Cameron, Osborne, Mandleson, Major, Letwin, Cooper, Corbyn, Starmer who all stated that we would leave, no second vote and, according to Cameron, it would be on WTO rules.

So why are the remainers saying we’re thick. It was clear what we were voting for. It’s on record.

 

[larus]

When you voted to leave were you in full knowledge of the facts about the northern Irish border?

I suggest you watch the YouTube clip and then consider all of the others fear stories about (based on voting leave, not when we left):
£30bln emergency buget
Immediate recession
Interest rate rises
House price crash\
500,000 increase in unemployment

Christ, even you bleated on about the massive job losses in the City. (Still waiting by the way).

We won’t install a physical border, so tell me, who will?

 

[Dave the OAP]

No that wasn’t the question....the question was. Were you aware of the full facts...it’s a simple question.


Btw my company has lost 80% of its workforce and about the same of our customers who have moved to Europe....so yes I do know the implications.

I suggest you watch the YouTube clip and then consider all of the others fear stories about (based on voting leave, not when we left):
£30bln emergency buget
Immediate recession
Interest rate rises
House price crash\
500,000 increase in unemployment

Christ, even you bleated on about the massive job losses in the City. (Still waiting by the way).

We won’t install a physical border, so tell me, who will?

 

[larus]

No that wasn’t the question....the question was. Were you aware of the full facts...it’s a simple question.

As I stated (maybe it was difficult for you), we won’t be erecting/creating a hard border. OK! That’s answered you question.

So, now answer mine.
Do you accept that the remain side LIED in the campaign? Note - this is not a question about the leave bus.
Did the remain side state that we would need a hard border with the ROI? if not, why not?
Last question, who will create the hard border if we won’t?

 

[Dave the OAP]

Liste..it’s perfectly simple...did you know the problem the Northern Ireland border would cause because of a leave vote at the time you voted

How easy is that to understand?

I thoroughly understand the issues as we have businesses in Ireland north and south....but you seem to be an expert.

So are you going to answer the question?

As I stated (maybe it was difficult for you), we won’t be erecting/creating a hard border. OK! That’s answered you question.

So, now answer mine.
Do you accept that the remain side LIED in the campaign? Note - this is not a question about the leave bus.
Did the remain side state that we would need a hard border with the ROI? if not, why not?
Last question, who will create the hard border if we won’t?

 

[larus]

Liste..it’s perfectly simple...did you know the problem the Northern Ireland border would cause because of a leave vote at the time you voted

How easy is that to understand?

I thoroughly understand the issues as we have businesses in Ireland north and south....but you seem to be an expert.

So are you going to answer the question?

Look, I told you and answered your question (which is more than can be said about you).

We won’t be creating any physical border/hard border.
There already is a difference in tax/vat regulations between UK/ROI.

Even if I’d known in detail about any potential NI/ROI issues, I WOULD STILL HAVE VOTED LEAVE. National sovereignty mean more to me than the EU ‘rules’ (which, BTW, they have no problem bending/breaking when is suits them, such as national deficits etc.).

So, as I have clearly answered you question, answer mine.

 

[Dave the OAP]

So you didn’t know what you were voting for.

That is fine

Thank you.

Have a nice evening

Look, I told you and answered your question (which is more than can be said about you).

We won’t be creating any physical border/hard border.
There already is a difference in tax/vat regulations between UK/ROI.

Even if I’d known in detail about any potential NI/ROI issues, I WOULD STILL HAVE VOTED LEAVE. National sovereignty mean more to me than the EU ‘rules’ (which, BTW, they have no problem bending/breaking when is suits them, such as national deficits etc.).

So, as I have clearly answered you question, answer mine.