[Politics] Brexit

[lawros left foot]

...does...does someone want to tell him who the ERG are?

But then leavers would have to put the blame where it rightfully belongs for this whole shambles.

 

[A1X]

John Mc Donnell, is a dangerous dangerous man, and now he is stirring war upon our streets.

What a ****, you could make it up, accept it, and move on or death and injury will occur throughout the UK and all because of the remainers would not let a democratic vote go through.

Utterly, utterly moronic.

And what did you think would happen when the food and medicine shortages start to hit post-No Deal? Or hadn't you got to that part yet?

 

[Thunder Bolt]

Thank you for posting. Neatly sums up the arrogant Remain world view that anyone who disagrees with them is a liar or a fool.

I'm not answering your statement above but using the quote section to say I've found the article and report from the High Court that I was looking for yesterday.

https://www.facebook.com/notes/manc...m-that-doesnt-matter-anyway/2274552749475270/

 

[Is it PotG?]

And what did you think would happen when the food and medicine shortages start to hit post-No Deal? Or hadn't you got to that part yet?

1) Needn't have come to a possible No Deal if Jezza and his comrades had put May's deal through.

2) Where is the FACTUAL evidence, not views, that we won't have any medicines for the next 20 years?

 

[A1X]

Thank you for posting. Neatly sums up the arrogant Remain world view that anyone who disagrees with them is a liar or a fool.

Only if you can't provide a plausible defence of the policy.

BTW, David Allen Green isn't a Remainer by most people's counts, he'd be fine with Brexit if it were being done sensibly.

 

[Gwylan]

Thank you for posting. Neatly sums up the arrogant Remain world view that anyone who disagrees with them is a liar or a fool.

Er ... David Allen Green was a leaver.

 

[A1X]

1) Needn't have come to No Deal if Jezza and his comrades had put May's deal through.

2) Where is the FACTUAL evidence, not views, that we won't have any medicines for the next 20 years?

1. You really do like dodging questions, don't you? Let me guess, another one you don't fancy answering?

2. Why have you pulled the 20 years figure from your arse? Take away the medicines from people and their loved ones for a week and there'll be people on the streets.

 

[Thunder Bolt]

Er ... David Allen Green was a leaver.

Gwylan, I know you voted Leave and the reasons you did that. Thank you for being a voice of reason amongst all the bile and nastiness being posted in this thread.

When you post your opinion, I read it carefully to try and see the other side, and to appreciate others feelings. I wish there were more posts like yours.


*Gwylan is not a friend of mine, not do I hope to gain anything from this post. I'm just being honest.

 

[Thunder Bolt]

1) Needn't have come to a possible No Deal if Jezza and his comrades had put May's deal through.

2) Where is the FACTUAL evidence, not views, that we won't have any medicines for the next 20 years?

Don't forget that despite the massive bribe May paid to the 10 DUP MPs, and her own ERG members, also voted against her, so don't put all the blame on Labour.
She lost her third motion by 58 votes.

I am not a Labour supporter.

 

[Herr Tubthumper]

1) Needn't have come to a possible No Deal if Jezza and his comrades had put May's deal through.

2) Where is the FACTUAL evidence, not views, that we won't have any medicines for the next 20 years?

Not sure what you’re trying to say in 2) but you will certainly get immediate delays in transportations of medicines across borders if there is a hard Brexit. You will also get a delay with new medicines coming on the market due to the UK becoming a Tier 2 nation for licensing.

 

[Is it PotG?]

Don't forget that despite the massive bribe May paid to the 10 DUP MPs, and her own ERG members, also voted against her, so don't put all the blame on Labour.
She lost her third motion by 58 votes.

I am not a Labour supporter.

Indeed, but Mr McDonnell seems to one shouting quite loudly.

 

[Thunder Bolt]

Not sure what you’re trying to say in 2) but you will certainly get immediate delays in transportations of medicines across borders if there is a hard Brexit. You will also get a delay with new medicines coming on the market due to the UK becoming a Tier 2 nation for licensing.

We also lose access to Eurotom where we obtain isotopes for cancer treatment. Isotopes have a very limited shelf life.

 

[Westdene Seagull]

...does...does someone want to tell him who the ERG are?

Maybe someone would like to teach you some maths !

So just for you :

The current seats stand as :

Conservative 311
Labour 247
Scottish National Party 35
Independent 15
Liberal Democrat 14
Democratic Unionist Party 10
Sinn Féin 7
The Independent Group for Change 5
Plaid Cymru 4
Green Party 1
Speaker 1

So we start with 650 seats and remove Sinn Fein as well as the speaker none of whom vote. That leaves us with 642 seats. Now lets assume the following parties would all vote against any sort of Brexit :

Greens 1
The Independent Group for Change 5
Plaid Cymru 4
Lib Dems 14
SNP 35
Independents 15 ( we'll assume all this group are against Brexit although that might well not be correct )

Both the Tories and Labour promised to follow Brexit through but just for these maths we'll move the ERG to apposing Brexit in a vote. We'll even take Thunderbolts exaggerated figure of 120 even if in reality it's closer to 60-70. This means there are 194 votes against Brexit. Now 642 minus 194 still leaves a majority of 448. So how ever you take it the ERG have not stopped Brexit - many many MPs are responsible.

 

[Thunder Bolt]

A few hundred Corbinistas at the gates of Downing Street, whoever would have thought it. Cringeworthy, only eclipsed by the little twerp Jones photographing himself along side Churchill.

You do realise Jeremy Corbyn wants Brexit?

 

[lawros left foot]

Thank you for posting. Neatly sums up the arrogant Remain world view that anyone who disagrees with them is a liar or a fool.

Nearly,but you forgot racists and xenophobes, there’s a lot of them voted leave as well

 

[Grombleton]

So how ever you take it the ERG have not stopped Brexit - many many MPs are responsible

Whilst I appreciate you taking the time to post that (and i'm not being sarcastic there!), my point wasn't that it was the ERG that stopped it (though it can't be denied they havent exactly helped matters), but that Ol' Mouldy claims it was the remain side that were not letting things go through. I do agree that both sides should share the blame.

 

[Thunder Bolt]

Whilst I appreciate you taking the time to post that (and i'm not being sarcastic there!), my point wasn't that it was the ERG that stopped it (though it can't be denied they havent exactly helped matters), but that Ol' Mouldy claims it was the remain side that were not letting things go through. I do agree that both sides should share the blame.

Which was a point I tried to make and also posted a link saying there were more than 60-70 ERG members, which WS chose to ignore.
Remainers are not solely to blame for the deal not going through.

It was a lousy deal in any case. The customs union part of it only covered goods, not services, and a lot of our work in the UK is in services.

 

[BadFish]

I think the most disappointing and frustrating thing is the amount of brain power within Parliament that has been wasted on scuppering and sabotage that could have been used positively to create the best possible exit. I feel that a constant refusal to accept that we are leaving combined with a will to delay and destroy any exit strategy has distracted some great minds from offering constructive advice and planning for the future.

I agree, I would also add that it is a shame that no-one has managed to come up with any coherent plans for people to discuss, dissect and ultimately get behind. Once again those in power have let us down and we are left in the current chaos.

 

[shingle]

You do realise Jeremy Corbyn wants Brexit?

Yeah but the lot outside Downing Street yesterday are a different kettle of fish.

 

[Tom Hark Preston Park]

Get the distinct impression that BJ doesn't actually care whether Brexit happens or not. He's ticked the 'be PM' box off his Eton bucket list, has had a few jolly awaydays along the way and has stirred things up a bit at home. All while trying his very best to maintain a straight face. He'll not be disappointed with that. Right, what's next on the Boris bucket list?