[Politics] Brexit

[Neville's Breakfast]

The EU have been more than happy to discuss a trade deal but want the ACTUAL most important bits (the Good Friday Agreement, money owed, citizens rights) agreed first. The transition period after the exit date was then when the trade deal was to be discussed. But it is worth noting that a trade deal takes roughly ten years to negotiate and complete.

You are getting mixed up with the timeframe suggested by Mr Obama for a UK/US trade deal.

https://www.weforum.org/agenda/2016/07/how-long-do-trade-deals-take-after-brexit/

The reality is that neither you nor I know how long it would take. Presenting conjecture as fact though is a constant feature of this debate. As to negotiating on what is important I would say a trade deal should have been the priority three years ago and the Tory Remainer Government were well aware of this. They knew exactly what they were doing in bringing us to where we are now.

 

[hans kraay fan club]

I'm sure you do but let's face it you couldn't accept the referendum result .,I dont for one minute believe this country's going down the pan but You're entitled to your opinions on that
Regards
DR

Correct. I don't accept the result.

I don't accept that it was a truly fair and free vote, played out without illegal funding, or third-party interference.

Nor do I accept that the votes to leave (following a Vote Leave campaign, declaring that we would only leave 'in a stable manner with an agreed deal in place') come close to legitimising the type of exit that the current leadership seems set on.

 

[theonlymikey]

Barclays Bank : No deal, recession and plummeting pound now ‘most likely’ Brexit outcome.

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/...ssion-pound-falls-barclays-bank-a9073371.html

 

[shingle]

So if you found yourself with difficulty breathing and having severe chest pains, would you call an ambulance or say "**** the experts, I'll ask my neighbour what he thinks"?

No, but if I was given a terminal diagnosis and then another doctor said 'wait up shingle, its not as bad as that I know a surgeon in Bournemouth that can cure you', I'd go with 2nd doc. Do you see what I'm getting at.

 

[A1X]

No, but if I was given a terminal diagnosis and then another doctor said 'wait up shingle, its not as bad as that I know a surgeon in Bournemouth that can cure you', I'd go with 2nd doc. Do you see what I'm getting at.

So you prefer blind faith over expertise?

 

[hans kraay fan club]

No, but if I was given a terminal diagnosis and then another doctor said 'wait up shingle, its not as bad as that I know a surgeon in Bournemouth that can cure you', I'd go with 2nd doc. Do you see what I'm getting at.

Except that the accurate analogy would be, that he knows a faith healer that can cure you.

But only if you truly believe.

 

[A1X]

You are getting mixed up with the timeframe suggested by Mr Obama for a UK/US trade deal.

https://www.weforum.org/agenda/2016/07/how-long-do-trade-deals-take-after-brexit/

The reality is that neither you nor I know how long it would take. Presenting conjecture as fact though is a constant feature of this debate. As to negotiating on what is important I would say a trade deal should have been the priority three years ago and the Tory Remainer Government were well aware of this. They knew exactly what they were doing in bringing us to where we are now.

CETA (the EU's trade deal with Canada which most Brexiters claim to want to emulate) took 7 years to negotiate and 3 years to ratify in both Canada and the EU Parliaments.

Incidentally, how were the previous Government (by which I assume you mean May's) in any way "Remainer" when they spent their entire time negotiating a deal which would have seen us leave the EU and wanted Parliament to vote in favour of leaving on 29th March 2019? If it were a Remainer Government it would never have served notice of intention to leave.

 

[Lever]

You are getting mixed up with the timeframe suggested by Mr Obama for a UK/US trade deal.

https://www.weforum.org/agenda/2016/07/how-long-do-trade-deals-take-after-brexit/

The reality is that neither you nor I know how long it would take. Presenting conjecture as fact though is a constant feature of this debate. As to negotiating on what is important I would say a trade deal should have been the priority three years ago and the Tory Remainer Government were well aware of this. They knew exactly what they were doing in bringing us to where we are now.

Fact or conjecture?

 

[Neville's Breakfast]

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Fact or conjecture?

Conjecture. I didn’t wrap it up in fake figures to pretend it was anything else.

 

[Neville's Breakfast]

CETA (the EU's trade deal with Canada which most Brexiters claim to want to emulate) took 7 years to negotiate and 3 years to ratify in both Canada and the EU Parliaments.

Incidentally, how were the previous Government (by which I assume you mean May's) in any way "Remainer" when they spent their entire time negotiating a deal which would have seen us leave the EU and wanted Parliament to vote in favour of leaving on 29th March 2019? If it were a Remainer Government it would never have served notice of intention to leave.

The attached research from the World Economic Forum says 32 months from launch date of negotiations to implementation for Canada.
We will have to agree to differ on the intentions of the previous Government led by Remain voters Theresa May and Philip Hammond. They could hardly have ignored the result of the Referendum. Much better to negotiate on the wrong things and give the appearance that leaving the EU is just too difficult.

 

[Lever]

Conjecture. I didn’t wrap it up in fake figures to pretend it was anything else.

...then for complete clarification, it was just your hunch, whether or not you attached figures to it.

 

[Deleted member 2719]

This man has lots in common with our Boris, balls, big ones, and isnt scared of the cliff face................

He survived to fight another day.

Come on remoaners cheer and get your chutes on.


We're on our way.........

https://youtu.be/Fk4w0c1fuWI

 

[Lever]

This man has lots in common with our Boris, balls, big ones, and isnt scared of the cliff face................

He survived to fight another day.

Come on remoaners cheer and get your chutes on.


We're on our way.........

https://youtu.be/Fk4w0c1fuWI

 

[daveinplzen]

This man has lots in common with our Boris, balls, big ones, and isnt scared of the cliff face................

He survived to fight another day.

Come on remoaners cheer and get your chutes on.


We're on our way.........

https://youtu.be/Fk4w0c1fuWI

Good to see you chuckling away to our countries potential catastrophic, economic meltdown.

 

[Pretty pink fairy]

Correct. I don't accept the result.

I don't accept that it was a truly fair and free vote, played out without illegal funding, or third-party interference.

Nor do I accept that the votes to leave (following a Vote Leave campaign, declaring that we would only leave 'in a stable manner with an agreed deal in place') come close to legitimising the type of exit that the current leadership seems set on.

You're entitled to your thoughts but as I said earlier I expect my vote to be upheld not devalued
Regards
DR

 

[Neville's Breakfast]

...then for complete clarification, it was just your hunch, whether or not you attached figures to it.

It was my opinion, shared on an opinion board. I’m sure you are familiar with the concept. Not trying to justify with fake facts is actually rather important.

 

[hans kraay fan club]

You're entitled to your thoughts but as I said earlier I expect my vote to be upheld not devalued
Regards
DR

I mean this in the truest, most literal sense, when I say that I don't give the smallest toss, what you 'expect'.

 

[Pretty pink fairy]

Good to see you chuckling away to our countries potential catastrophic, economic meltdown.

Tell us more from the Czech republic
Regards
DR

 

[Pretty pink fairy]

I mean this in the truest, most literal sense, when I say that I don't give the smallest toss, what you 'expect'.

Of course you dont , it's all been a nightmare for your arrogant ego and all because you can't accept the referendum result well Chin up and get on with your life
regards
DR

 

[cheshunt seagull]

No, but if I was given a terminal diagnosis and then another doctor said 'wait up shingle, its not as bad as that I know a surgeon in Bournemouth that can cure you', I'd go with 2nd doc. Do you see what I'm getting at.

As someone who has an incurable illness my response would be to quiz Dr 2 in great detail about the evidence base for the proposed treatment and do a lot of background research. If it was flimsy and he/she started going on about having faith I would tell them where to go.