Pretty pink fairy
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no he's laughing down people that told him it wouldn't happen,............HOLD ON DAVE YOU'RE ONE OF THEM
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[Politics] Brexit
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Pretty pink fairy
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vegster
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Apart from a few, and we all know who they are.
daveinplzen
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no he's laughing down people that told him it wouldn't happen,............HOLD ON DAVE YOU'RE ONE OF THEM
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DR
When I need the opinion of a wannabe Nazi, ill call you, until then, get on with your summer holiday homework.
For your understanding (I will type it slowly for you), nothing has happened yet. I seem to remember you telling me we were leaving in March. Credit where credit is due, you have been consistent being wrong.
Pretty pink fairy
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midnight_rendezvous
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its good practice , why would you want to leave yourself short , you're making it out as a long term problem for the UK, SOME people don't like change, you fit that description nicely
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Good practice? What planet are you living on? We are one of the richest countries on the planet, the idea of being ‘short’ on medicine during peace time should seriously worry you. But, it I guess it depends how far in denial you are. And you’re right, I certainly don’t like change if if means driving our nation off the edge of a cliff.
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It beats me that you and others don't have him on ignore. A year ban for racist trolling? Other bans for similar? What can you hope to gain by reading his posts?
According to 'a moderator' it is only a matter of time before he ***** himself into another offensive frenzy and gets another ban. My only gripe is that the moderators feel inclined to wait for this to happen rather than simply put the silly old nazi out of his own mysery now. He doesn't post a single word about the current Albion, in terms of how the team are doing etc. Just a load of juvenile old bollocks about politics, and extremely feeble facetious comments to various posters. If he were an Albion player, he'd be Glenn Thomas. Unbelievably shit.
One of the pleasures of having him on ignore is that I don't ready his twatty come-backs. If he has any sense he will have me on ignore. I wonder if he has any sense?
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Stop booing and suck it up, big boy.
midnight_rendezvous
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daveinplzen
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Yep, face saving with facts.
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Done by a remainer surely as the coffee changes from a mug to a cup.
They have NO vision.
theonlymikey
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Bored. Are you James Milner?
I'm not repeating myself to dummies. see post 92929.
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theonlymikey
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Respect, rare to come across 12 years olds with music knowledge preceding the naughties.
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Come on Mikey, who is your real NSC account.
Give it up matey you will get a lot more respect rather than hiding behind this account
theonlymikey
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Mouldy boots. Fill your mouldy boots by reading posts 92401-92409.Come on Mikey, who is your real NSC account.
Give it up matey you will get a lot more respect rather than hiding behind this account
It will blow your freaking mind my ex fellow brexiteer.
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Baldseagull
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Hello mate, thanks for posting your reasons. I hope you don't mind me saying why I think they are not good reasons for leaving the EU.
The Treaty of Rome, the one we first signed up to includes the phrase "ever closer union", the later treaties do not make that aim any stronger. In David Camerons renegotiation, he was keen to have that not apply to the UK. The EU said "It is recognised that the United Kingdom, in the light of the specific situation it has under the Treaties, is not committed to further political integration into the European Union. The substance of this will be incorporated into the Treaties at the time of their next revision in accordance with the relevant provisions of the Treaties and the respective constitutional requirements of the Member States, so as to make it clear that the references to ever closer union do not apply to the United Kingdom”
It was also the case that the European Parliament act was in force, which made it law that no material Treaty changes or new Treaties could be agreed to by a UK Government without having the support for it in a referendum and in the House of Lords. So, unless a majority of the UK felt it was a good idea, no further steps towards Union could be taken.
We can remain and never move towards any closer union
We can reduce VAT, but within certain parameters set by the EU, too much variance between rates would cause issues for the single market. But in Hungary it is 27%, Luxembourg 17%, in or out, you and I won't be choosing VAT rates obviously, and any party wanting to can cut rates down to 15% standard rate. Before we joined the EU or EEC if you prefer, we had purchase tax, which was never lower than 25%.
We cannot strike an independent trade agreement with anyone whilst a member of the EU customs union. But we do have trade deals via the EU customs union. We would not get any better deals with the countries that the EU has deals with, but it is possible we could get deals done with countries that the EU does not currently have deals with. The EU though is by far our largest trading partner and will continue to be so, a deal with them is not going to be as good as current arrangements. The EU Japan trade deal is the worlds biggest single trade deal as the Japanese and EU economies make up more than one third of global GDP.
We may be able to ban the export of live animals for slaughter, but there is some suggestion that this would infringe WTO rules, so this may not be as simple as it seems. But if it is possible under WTO rules, doing it through the EU would have a wider effect.
This part might have some legs.
As the UK alone, I don't think it would be easy to effect changes in Italian Farming practices for Dairy herds. It is far better to write to your Brexit MEP and ask them to try and do something useful whilst there in the Parliament and join this group https://www.eurogroupforanimals.org/
There is an issue over this "secure our borders" phrase. If you mean we can refuse entry to people from the EU if we feel like it, just because, then yes this is something we cant do, but it is also something we would not do if we could, EU citizens are likely going to be included in the dozens of countries we have visa free travel with. If you mean we would have more security via our borders, then that is unlikely, we currently share information with other EU countries about suspected terrorists, extremists, kiddy fiddlers and other criminals, this co operation may not be there or be as comprehensive after leaving. https://uk.reuters.com/article/uk-b...at-threat-senior-police-officer-idUKKCN1UX0M5
We loaned money via the EU to Portugal and Ireland, total 6.5 Billion Euros, it has been repaid. We also made loans to them and other Eurozone countries as required by our IMF membership total 4.5 Billion Euros, we also chose to lend Ireland a further 3.5 Billion Euros, at an interest rate above that which we borrowed at. All have been repaid, and the last deal made money for the UK treasury. In 2011 the EU leaders agreed that the UK and other EU countries which are not in the eurozone, should not be part of any future eurozone bailouts.
Yes, some of our contributions go to aid development in other EU countries, but also regions of the UK. This is I suppose going to be affected by your ideology, if you believe as I do that the wealthiest in a society should contribute the most financially, and the less well off should receive the most help, then this is fine.
There is a question of why you don't believe being part of a federal Europe would be good for the UK, I think most people just don't like the idea without any real solid reason other than a lack of trust. Of course a full federal EU could not operate the way the current EU does, and would need to have a different structure, but the treaties state that its aims are "the process of creating an ever closer union among the peoples of Europe, in which decisions are taken as openly as possible and as closely as possible to the citizen". To me this says that the more local layers of government should have as many powers as possible.
Phew Baldseagull, I am exhausted!
You really are an EU fanatic Baldseagull, are you not? Great Britain will NEVER gain enough influence in the EU due to obvious historical reasons. £'s are what they want, not us.
theonlymikey
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Great post. It allays the fears regarding the ever closer union and the part the UK would okay in such a scenario much more eloquently than I could ever explain.
And in fact more knowledge. You have to ask yourself why myself and more people don't know that the EU were going to write the UK out of the closer union in future treaties.
I guess there's lots of information readily available now that should have been available pre-referendum.
Immigration has always been an interesting one. It was played on very heavily by leave. Nigel Farages misleading billboards and Aaron Banks paying an ex marine and a few paid brown actors to sit in a dingy to build the perception of how easy it is for people to come to the UK.
More interestingly, is that despite this, people who voted for the supposed benefit of less immigrants must surely feel disappointed at the developments.
Not only will the people in the EU be given visa free access, that more people will be coming in on top from non-EU countries thought this OZ style points system, Boris Johnson's scrapping targets to reduce net immigration. And finally after all that, he's advocating an illegal immigrant amnesty.
Alas, a Tory is finally partaking in some social justice, but the man on the street who is staring into the face of a recession because of voting leave due to worries about immigration must be scratching his head and wondering what the hell happened.
Accountability they ask for. Well Cambridge Analytica took your personal information, took a bung from leave and told you just how to be the good little brexit puppet they needed. Do you not care about your basic human rights being breached in such a way?
You have to laugh. I wonder how many a brexiteer has spouted the words un-elected beaurocrats. What was there reward? An un-elected dimwit who idolizes Otto Von Bismarck. A man who knows not a lot but still believes he's more legally clued up than the former Attorney General.
Too many people are being ignored. 1.3% of the electorate swung the vote in favour of leave. Such a small majority of that, gives you a mandate to execute article 50 and find a middle ground. In my opinion, that would have been the labour proposed customs union.
But, we've pandered to the right wing ERG, who complained a customs union would be "brexit in name only". But that's just it, the referendum question on the ballot simply called for brexit in name only. Anybody that has added caveats on and re-wrote just what brexit meant, is un-democratic and inconsiderate it's unfathomable in the extreme.
To purposely pursue a no deal brexit that only 25% of the public think is a good outcome is an act of sheer distain towards the UK public. Or plebs as they probably refer to us.
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