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Really.
I have yet to see a remainer back Britain fully the vast majority want to skip through the tulips.
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[Politics] Brexit
- Thread starter KingstonSeagull
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Really.
I have yet to see a remainer back Britain fully the vast majority want to skip through the tulips.
That's a ridiculous challenge and I absolutely disagree with this chauvinist, populist idiot....
I am a patriot but I am not stupid. He clearly is......
On what basis could you agree with it?
Raleigh Chopper
New member
Thank you Thunder Bolt and Lever, saved me time saying it.
Boycott, don't make me laugh, he thinks Yorkshire should have its own passport.
Apologies to Thunder Bolt, who I have met and liked, but surely enough of us have met Leeds and other Yorkshire football fans, or Yorkshire lads on holiday to know what they are ( mainly) like.
What on earth Brexit has to do with both world wars and treating the English Channel like a moat I don't know.
This country, Europe and the world is a totally different place now.
And for big mouth Boycott not to recognise all the other nationalities that helped us in the wars is totally disrespectful.
Thunder Bolt
Silly old bat
How do you back Britain fully?
Serving in the Armed Forces and working for the Crown?
Thunder Bolt
Silly old bat
You don't have to apologise to me, as I was born in Shoreham. I married a Yorkshireman in the Navy, and we went up there to live because houses were cheaper when he came out of the Navy. Within weeks I knew I had made a big mistake, but I was married with a 6 week old baby and had to make the most of it.
Who said anything about WW3? But cricket fans will know Boycott has history of walking away in a sulk when he doesn't get his way. Like someone being made England captain instead of him.
OK, I've watched it and here is where I don't agree;
01:43 - "There's more and more people want to go" - this is statistically incorrect as per John Curtice's analysis which shows more Leavers are now Remainers than vice versa (https://whatukthinks.org/eu/has-there-been-a-shift-in-support-for-brexit/)
02:23 - "Europe don't want us to have a good deal" - they put together the deal which does what the UK wanted based on the 2016 referendum campaign & the reality of the GFA which suits both parties according to the negotiating teams, but Europe would much rather we left with a deal so this is utter nonsense
02:26 - "They want us to fail" - Europe does not want the UK to fail as for it to do so would let Russia / China into the European area through the back door
02:32 - "Other countries will want to leave" - support for the EU has never been higher in EU member states, averaging 80% in most, while Europhobic political movements have fallen away, and even the likes of Orban and Italy's 5Star Movement are now talking about how they will change things within the EU
03:13 - "He (Hunt) is a remainer, he's always been a remainer" - Jeremy Hunt voted for the deal which would have taken the UK out of the EU on 29th March 2019
03:27 - "He thinks if we leave without a deal it will be terrible, no it won't" - all the leading experts in major industries are telling us that it will, Geoffrey Botcott does not know more about how food supply chains work than the boss of Tesco or how customs checks work better than international trade experts, no matter how many more test match runs than them he's scored
03:32 - "We fought two world wars, and we came out on top" - he didn't fight a second of either of those wars, and it is arguable the First World War was a score draw
03:37 - "Why? Because of the determination and skill of the British people" - Russia would have won the Second World War without our help, and we couldn't have won it without American food, money and armed forces, not to mention the gross insult that comes from his ignoring the Empire / Commonwealth forces who fought valiantly (notably the Canadians in France and the Indians in Burma)
03:48 - "We've got India queuing up to to deals" - India have said their priority is an EU trade deal before making one with the UK
03:51 - "America, our best friends, wanting to do a deal" - Congress has said it will not ratify a trade deal if there is a breach of the GFA and the imposition of a hard border in Ireland
It's also incredibly creepy the way he obsesses over Susannah Reid, but that's by-the-by...
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There we go, Lever, calling a brexiteer stupid again, you lot can't help yourself, do you have a specific IQ that you have to have to buy into the EU because I and Geoff are obviously way below?
I think people are reading too deep in the fact he didn't mention the allies, he was on live tv and had to get his point over quickly, of course he understands others were involved.
He was generally talking about wearing your heart on your sleeve for your country.
By telling the EU to give us a fair deal or its NO DEAL.
Thunder Bolt
Silly old bat
The EU have 27 very different countries who have agreed unanimously to a deal, and our Parliament has voted it down three times. Who is the one in the wrong, do you think?
I also put it to you, that I firmly believe that having 750 trade deals already in place, more rebates than any other country, a tenth of all the seats in Brussels, and only having 11% of EU laws applying to us, is actually good for the UK.
Can you please explain what about the current deal you find so objectionable?
pastafarian
Well-known member
I agree
At least you have confirmed it is indeed regaining sovereign powers, some of your fellow travellers think no sovereign powers have been ceded to Brussels by insisting there are no sovereign powers to take back control of.
On the contrary,I fully recognise the misinformation and scare tactics from the gov (eg treasury emergency budget) and the shameful use of foreign influence (Obama) that helped scare people into voting remain.
More misrepresenting bullshit from you. I simply said if there had been a referendum on appeasement in 1937, and appeasement had won then that vote should have been respected. Voters in 1937 would not have had a history of the 20th century book in front of them. All you have done is confirm yet again you don’t believe referendum votes should be respected if you do not agree with them.
What is most likely, and what happens with many trade deals is that visa regulations are liberalised and the process of obtaining a visa for tier groups that we see a benefit in allowing is simplified. Have zero problem with qualified Indians getting visas under a more liberalised system for study and in areas of work where we identify a shortage, as we currently do. This is what a managed migration system should do. Beats the hell out of letting people, who want to live and work here, cross the border first without permits to enter and then check up on them months later.
Interesting piece by Max Hastings on BoJo in The Guarniad...
"Six years ago, the Cambridge historian Christopher Clark published a study of the outbreak of the first world war, titled The Sleepwalkers. Though Clark is a fine scholar, I was unconvinced by his title, which suggested that the great powers stumbled mindlessly to disaster. On the contrary, the maddest aspect of 1914 was that each belligerent government convinced itself that it was acting rationally.
It would be fanciful to liken the ascent of Boris Johnson to the outbreak of global war, but similar forces are in play. There is room for debate about whether he is a scoundrel or mere rogue, but not much about his moral bankruptcy, rooted in a contempt for truth. Nonetheless, even before the Conservative national membership cheers him in as our prime minister – denied the option of Nigel Farage, whom some polls suggest they would prefer – Tory MPs have thronged to do just that.
He would not recognise the truth, whether about his private or political life, if confronted by it in an identity parade
I have known Johnson since the 1980s, when I edited the Daily Telegraph and he was our flamboyant Brussels correspondent. I have argued for a decade that, while he is a brilliant entertainer who made a popular maître d’ for London as its mayor, he is unfit for national office, because it seems he cares for no interest save his own fame and gratification.
Tory MPs have launched this country upon an experiment in celebrity government, matching that taking place in Ukraine and the US, and it is unlikely to be derailed by the latest headlines. The Washington columnist George Will observes that Donald Trump does what his political base wants “by breaking all the china”. We can’t predict what a Johnson government will do, because its prospective leader has not got around to thinking about this. But his premiership will almost certainly reveal a contempt for rules, precedent, order and stability.
A few admirers assert that, in office, Johnson will reveal an accession of wisdom and responsibility that have hitherto eluded him, not least as foreign secretary. This seems unlikely, as the weekend’s stories emphasised. Dignity still matters in public office, and Johnson will never have it. Yet his graver vice is cowardice, reflected in a willingness to tell any audience, whatever he thinks most likely to please, heedless of the inevitability of its contradiction an hour later.
Like many showy personalities, he is of weak character. I recently suggested to a radio audience that he supposes himself to be Winston Churchill, while in reality being closer to Alan Partridge. Churchill, for all his wit, was a profoundly serious human being. Far from perceiving anything glorious about standing alone in 1940, he knew that all difficult issues must be addressed with allies and partners.
Churchill’s self-obsession was tempered by a huge compassion for humanity, or at least white humanity, which Johnson confines to himself. He has long been considered a bully, prone to making cheap threats. My old friend Christopher Bland, when chairman of the BBC, once described to me how he received an angry phone call from Johnson, denouncing the corporation’s “gross intrusion upon my personal life” for its coverage of one of his love affairs.
“We know plenty about your personal life that you would not like to read in the Spectator,” the then editor of the magazine told the BBC’s chairman, while demanding he order the broadcaster to lay off his own dalliances.
Bland told me he replied: “Boris, think about what you have just said. There is a word for it, and it is not a pretty one.”
He said Johnson blustered into retreat, but in my own files I have handwritten notes from our possible next prime minister, threatening dire consequences in print if I continued to criticise him.
Johnson would not recognise truth, whether about his private or political life, if confronted by it in an identity parade. In a commonplace book the other day, I came across an observation made in 1750 by a contemporary savant, Bishop Berkeley: “It is impossible that a man who is false to his friends and neighbours should be true to the public.” Almost the only people who think Johnson a nice guy are those who do not know him.
There is, of course, a symmetry between himself and Jeremy Corbyn. Corbyn is far more honest, but harbours his own extravagant delusions. He may yet prove to be the only possible Labour leader whom Johnson can defeat in a general election. If the opposition was led by anybody else, the Tories would be deservedly doomed, because we would all vote for it. As it is, the Johnson premiership could survive for three or four years, shambling from one embarrassment and debacle to another, of which Brexit may prove the least.
For many of us, his elevation will signal Britain’s abandonment of any claim to be a serious country. It can be claimed that few people realised what a poor prime minister Theresa May would prove until they saw her in Downing Street. With Boris, however, what you see now is almost assuredly what we shall get from him as ruler of Britain.
We can scarcely strip the emperor’s clothes from a man who has built a career, or at least a lurid love life, out of strutting without them. The weekend stories of his domestic affairs are only an aperitif for his future as Britain’s leader. I have a hunch that Johnson will come to regret securing the prize for which he has struggled so long, because the experience of the premiership will lay bare his absolute unfitness for it.
If the Johnson family had stuck to showbusiness like the Osmonds, Marx Brothers or von Trapp family, the world would be a better place. Yet the Tories, in their terror, have elevated a cavorting charlatan to the steps of Downing Street, and they should expect to pay a full forfeit when voters get the message. If the price of Johnson proves to be Corbyn, blame will rest with the Conservative party, which is about to foist a tasteless joke upon the British people – who will not find it funny for long."
"Six years ago, the Cambridge historian Christopher Clark published a study of the outbreak of the first world war, titled The Sleepwalkers. Though Clark is a fine scholar, I was unconvinced by his title, which suggested that the great powers stumbled mindlessly to disaster. On the contrary, the maddest aspect of 1914 was that each belligerent government convinced itself that it was acting rationally.
It would be fanciful to liken the ascent of Boris Johnson to the outbreak of global war, but similar forces are in play. There is room for debate about whether he is a scoundrel or mere rogue, but not much about his moral bankruptcy, rooted in a contempt for truth. Nonetheless, even before the Conservative national membership cheers him in as our prime minister – denied the option of Nigel Farage, whom some polls suggest they would prefer – Tory MPs have thronged to do just that.
He would not recognise the truth, whether about his private or political life, if confronted by it in an identity parade
I have known Johnson since the 1980s, when I edited the Daily Telegraph and he was our flamboyant Brussels correspondent. I have argued for a decade that, while he is a brilliant entertainer who made a popular maître d’ for London as its mayor, he is unfit for national office, because it seems he cares for no interest save his own fame and gratification.
Tory MPs have launched this country upon an experiment in celebrity government, matching that taking place in Ukraine and the US, and it is unlikely to be derailed by the latest headlines. The Washington columnist George Will observes that Donald Trump does what his political base wants “by breaking all the china”. We can’t predict what a Johnson government will do, because its prospective leader has not got around to thinking about this. But his premiership will almost certainly reveal a contempt for rules, precedent, order and stability.
A few admirers assert that, in office, Johnson will reveal an accession of wisdom and responsibility that have hitherto eluded him, not least as foreign secretary. This seems unlikely, as the weekend’s stories emphasised. Dignity still matters in public office, and Johnson will never have it. Yet his graver vice is cowardice, reflected in a willingness to tell any audience, whatever he thinks most likely to please, heedless of the inevitability of its contradiction an hour later.
Like many showy personalities, he is of weak character. I recently suggested to a radio audience that he supposes himself to be Winston Churchill, while in reality being closer to Alan Partridge. Churchill, for all his wit, was a profoundly serious human being. Far from perceiving anything glorious about standing alone in 1940, he knew that all difficult issues must be addressed with allies and partners.
Churchill’s self-obsession was tempered by a huge compassion for humanity, or at least white humanity, which Johnson confines to himself. He has long been considered a bully, prone to making cheap threats. My old friend Christopher Bland, when chairman of the BBC, once described to me how he received an angry phone call from Johnson, denouncing the corporation’s “gross intrusion upon my personal life” for its coverage of one of his love affairs.
“We know plenty about your personal life that you would not like to read in the Spectator,” the then editor of the magazine told the BBC’s chairman, while demanding he order the broadcaster to lay off his own dalliances.
Bland told me he replied: “Boris, think about what you have just said. There is a word for it, and it is not a pretty one.”
He said Johnson blustered into retreat, but in my own files I have handwritten notes from our possible next prime minister, threatening dire consequences in print if I continued to criticise him.
Johnson would not recognise truth, whether about his private or political life, if confronted by it in an identity parade. In a commonplace book the other day, I came across an observation made in 1750 by a contemporary savant, Bishop Berkeley: “It is impossible that a man who is false to his friends and neighbours should be true to the public.” Almost the only people who think Johnson a nice guy are those who do not know him.
There is, of course, a symmetry between himself and Jeremy Corbyn. Corbyn is far more honest, but harbours his own extravagant delusions. He may yet prove to be the only possible Labour leader whom Johnson can defeat in a general election. If the opposition was led by anybody else, the Tories would be deservedly doomed, because we would all vote for it. As it is, the Johnson premiership could survive for three or four years, shambling from one embarrassment and debacle to another, of which Brexit may prove the least.
For many of us, his elevation will signal Britain’s abandonment of any claim to be a serious country. It can be claimed that few people realised what a poor prime minister Theresa May would prove until they saw her in Downing Street. With Boris, however, what you see now is almost assuredly what we shall get from him as ruler of Britain.
We can scarcely strip the emperor’s clothes from a man who has built a career, or at least a lurid love life, out of strutting without them. The weekend stories of his domestic affairs are only an aperitif for his future as Britain’s leader. I have a hunch that Johnson will come to regret securing the prize for which he has struggled so long, because the experience of the premiership will lay bare his absolute unfitness for it.
If the Johnson family had stuck to showbusiness like the Osmonds, Marx Brothers or von Trapp family, the world would be a better place. Yet the Tories, in their terror, have elevated a cavorting charlatan to the steps of Downing Street, and they should expect to pay a full forfeit when voters get the message. If the price of Johnson proves to be Corbyn, blame will rest with the Conservative party, which is about to foist a tasteless joke upon the British people – who will not find it funny for long."
Leavers on here getting very desperate now. Three years ago they were convinced we were going to get an amazing deal, we held all the cards etc. They have slowly come to realise that we are in the doo-doo so are now pretending they always wanted no deal. The whole leave debacle has been a face saving exercise. And in doing so they are ruining the country. Financially, socially and reputationally. All because they are too bloody minded to admit they made a huge mistake in being persuaded into an ill thought out, binary leave vote when they had so few facts and even less foresight.
Managed 3 mins and 2 secs of this gammon headed, wife beaters claptrap. Pub bore. Luckily, a dying breed. Racist, woman beating old ****.
Baldseagull
Well-known member
Typhoo put the T in BriTain, but who put the C**T in Sc**thorpe?
Raleigh Chopper
New member
How close are we to actually leaving?
Can I have it in London buses or compared to the size of Wales please.
Can I have it in London buses or compared to the size of Wales please.
If we leave on October the 31st at the rate the leaving process has cost us each week so far it is....£9.6 billion away. Which would buy you about 2,542 London buses.
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Razzoo
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A London bus the size of a whale.
clapham_gull
Legacy Fan
- Aug 20, 2003
- 25,876
I managed No Deal will be fine because we fought World War I and II.
This is the not quite old enough to remember the war generation, who don't really understand it at all.
macbeth
Dismembered
"Ok Mr Boycott, I'd like you to summarise everything that's wrong with the incredulously arrogant, exeptionalist, factually incorrect, denialist, looney-tune Brexiteer mentality.
You have 8 minutes and 35 seconds. Off you go..."
You have 8 minutes and 35 seconds. Off you go..."
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