[Politics] Brexit

[Thunder Bolt]

Without wising to go over old ground too much, the remain campaign started off extremely positive, "stronger, safer, better off" etc. (still all true IMO), and kept this positive message throughout, but obviously introduced/resorted to negative campaigning.

The problem was when the leave campaign said we would be even more stronger, even more safer and even more better off, if we left (all untrue IMO). Then when remain said that's not true they got labelled as unpatriotic and that they didn't believe in their county.

At that point it was inevitable what would happen.

The problem started long before the campaigns for the Referendum with three newspapers printing unrelenting lies about immigration, day after day, and about the EU. The general public were being groomed.
Add in austerity, and the Tories pointing the finger at everything else bar themselves, and it produced a ripe climate for Brexit.

 

[Garry Nelson's teacher]

The problem started long before the campaigns for the Referendum with three newspapers printing unrelenting lies about immigration, day after day, and about the EU. The general public were being groomed.
Add in austerity, and the Tories pointing the finger at everything else bar themselves, and it produced a ripe climate for Brexit.

The word 'groomed' implies being manipulated by perverts. Surely that's inappropriate?

 

[JC Footy Genius]

The good thing about being a member of the EU is combining our collective power to solve pressing global issues ...

Central and Eastern European countries blocked a planned EU pledge to cut carbon emissions to a net zero by 2050 at a summit in Brussels on Thursday night.

Poland, Hungary, Estonia and the Czech Republic refused to support central summit conclusions that would have been a signal of intent from the bloc to meet the Paris climate agreement to limit global warming to 1.5 degrees.

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/20...ountries-block-eu-2050-climate-change-target/

 

[Garry Nelson's teacher]

The good thing about being a member of the EU is combining our collective power to solve pressing global issues ...

Central and Eastern European countries blocked a planned EU pledge to cut carbon emissions to a net zero by 2050 at a summit in Brussels on Thursday night.

Poland, Hungary, Estonia and the Czech Republic refused to support central summit conclusions that would have been a signal of intent from the bloc to meet the Paris climate agreement to limit global warming to 1.5 degrees.

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/20...ountries-block-eu-2050-climate-change-target/

Fair point and difficult for those Remainers who are committed to cutting carbon emissions. Two thoughts though:


1. this won't actually stop individual member states from taking this action who want to;

2. are the recalcitrant nations more or less likely to change their ways when they come under further pressure from the EU than they would if they weren't members?

 

[Lever]

The good thing about being a member of the EU is combining our collective power to solve pressing global issues ...

Central and Eastern European countries blocked a planned EU pledge to cut carbon emissions to a net zero by 2050 at a summit in Brussels on Thursday night.

Poland, Hungary, Estonia and the Czech Republic refused to support central summit conclusions that would have been a signal of intent from the bloc to meet the Paris climate agreement to limit global warming to 1.5 degrees.

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/20...ountries-block-eu-2050-climate-change-target/

.....Good point.
Best if we fight such intransigence from the inside where we have some weight and influence.
Oh, wait a minute.......

 

[Lincoln Imp]

The good thing about being a member of the EU is combining our collective power to solve pressing global issues ...

Central and Eastern European countries blocked a planned EU pledge to cut carbon emissions to a net zero by 2050 at a summit in Brussels on Thursday night.

Poland, Hungary, Estonia and the Czech Republic refused to support central summit conclusions that would have been a signal of intent from the bloc to meet the Paris climate agreement to limit global warming to 1.5 degrees.

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/20...ountries-block-eu-2050-climate-change-target/

Another good thing about being a member of the EU is that a country retains the sovereignty required to maintain a policy it thinks is right. Even if it's wrong.

 

[Thunder Bolt]

The good thing about being a member of the EU is combining our collective power to solve pressing global issues ...

Central and Eastern European countries blocked a planned EU pledge to cut carbon emissions to a net zero by 2050 at a summit in Brussels on Thursday night.

Poland, Hungary, Estonia and the Czech Republic refused to support central summit conclusions that would have been a signal of intent from the bloc to meet the Paris climate agreement to limit global warming to 1.5 degrees.

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/20...ountries-block-eu-2050-climate-change-target/

Fair point and difficult for those Remainers who are committed to cutting carbon emissions. Two thoughts though:


1. this won't actually stop individual member states from taking this action who want to;

2. are the recalcitrant nations more or less likely to change their ways when they come under further pressure from the EU than they would if they weren't members?

.....Good point.
Best if we fight such intransigence from the inside where we have some weight and influence.
Oh, wait a minute.......

Another good thing about being a member of the EU is that a country retains the sovereignty required to maintain a policy it thinks is right. Even if it's wrong.

Brexit 1 Remain in the EU 3.

 

[pastafarian]

So you weren't bothered in the slightest when we didn't leave when we were supposed to after all the arguing since the referendum and we went nowhere, did you just shrug your shoulders and make a nice cup of tea?

Yep, pretty much. Wasnt bothered. Knew full well, prior to it happening, that an extension to the negotiations to Leave was a possibility. Always known that the Tories know if they fail to deliver leaving the EU according to the democratic vote they cease to be a political party.Adhering to the democratic vote of the people is paramount, it supersedes everything, if the Tories renege on the promise to respect the outcome of the vote then f### them and f### any other politician from any party that aids that process.
Dont drink tea though.

 

[pastafarian]

The word 'groomed' implies being manipulated by perverts. Surely that's inappropriate?

Christians groom children into believing Noah s Ark actually happened.
Its a safe call to say there are manipulating christian perverts

 

[Pretty pink fairy]

.. and you have a vivid imagination...…..

You would say that with your head burried in the sand, do you still think we're staying in the EU
Regards
DR

 

[Pretty pink fairy]

Save up your benefits and you can get them fixed. You might then not look like Dwayne Dibley.

You deserve another cap
Regards
DR

 

[GrizzlingGammon]

You deserve another cap
Regards
DR

Thank you. You must have been given many whilst at school. You seem to have a massive collection of them.

 

[WATFORD zero]

Thank you. You must have been given many whilst at school. You seem to have a massive collection of them.

Unfortunately, I think that was only the start of a significant but ultimately unsuccessful and pointless lifelong investment by the state and taxpayer in Ppf

 

[NorthstandRacoon]

You would say that with your head burried in the sand, do you still think we're staying in the EU
Regards
DR

Yes and hopefully so

 

[The Clamp]

Thank you. You must have been given many whilst at school. You seem to have a massive collection of them.

Das Reich: Owned.

 

[The Rivet]

There is only one way this will get resolved perhaps...a general election. No 2nd ref, an election.

 

[ManOfSussex]

There is only one way this will get resolved perhaps...a general election. No 2nd ref, an election.

Sometimes vocabulary runs through my head, the alphabet runs right from A to Zed, conversations, hesitations in my mind, you got my conscience asking questions that I can't find......................................

 

[DavidinSouthampton]

You would say that with your head burried in the sand, do you still think we're staying in the EU
Regards
DR

Have I ever said we are not leaving the EU? I expect us to.

Now, like Boris, you have a very vivid imagination

 

[The Rivet]

Sometimes vocabulary runs through my head, the alphabet runs right from A to Zed, conversations, hesitations in my mind, you got my conscience asking questions that I can't find......................................

Hmmm. I can't help what you can't find I am afraid. Sorry.

 

[ManOfSussex]

Hmmm. I can't help what you can't find I am afraid. Sorry.

I try to say goodbye and I choke, try to walk away and I stumble, though I try to hide it, it's clear, my world crumbles when you are not here, goodbye and I choke....................