Do you realise how many countries vote on such matters? Did you follow any of Cameron's negotiatons? Stupid, disingenuous, or deliberately obtuse?
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[Politics] Brexit
- Thread starter KingstonSeagull
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Do you realise how many countries vote on such matters? Did you follow any of Cameron's negotiatons? Stupid, disingenuous, or deliberately obtuse?
Last ditch desperate nonsense from the Brexiteers...they're all at it tonight.
GoldWithFalmer
Seaweed! Seaweed!
Makes no difference....80 million people will be in this country within 15 years,hope there is no NIMBY's among the remainers.........perhaps we can finally build over the downs up from the Amex to woodingdean,build a proper bypass and massive car park as well..
melias shoes
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Trust me HG. It will be happening. Sooner than you think. Along with the veto on that 'DEAL'.
Yes in about the year 3000!!!!!
And possibly never with their human rights record.
Vote remain you know it makes sense
melias shoes
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Albumen
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Er . . . that's not a turkey, dude.
melias shoes
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Dear oh dear.
Hampster Gull
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This really is desperate. [MENTION=409]Herr Tubthumper[/MENTION] was right, it really is getting desperate for the Brexiters. Personally i have believe in the future, things will be good working with our friends in Europe. The UK does have a great place in the world now and will go from strength to strength with remain
melias shoes
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Wasn't supposed to be....dude.
In 2012 only 7% of the United Kingdom was urban, I don't think we need to concrete over the Downs any time soon
What proportion of Britain do you reckon is built on? By that I mean covered by buildings, roads, car parks, railways, paths and so on - what people might call "concreted over". Go on - have a guess.
I was prompted to find out the answer to this question after reading this week how woodland is now calculated to cover 12.7% of the UK, the highest proportion since 1924 when records began.
I tweeted the figures after the ONS published them in their UK Environmental Accounts and found I was not the only one surprised. "Do we have a completely mistaken view of what our landscape is like?" I wondered.
The 80% of us who live in towns and cities spend an inordinate amount of time staring at tarmac and brick. On most urban roads, one can be tricked into thinking that the ribbon of grey we see reflects the land use for miles around.
But when you look out of a plane window as you buckle-up ahead of landing at a UK airport, the revelation is how green the country appears.
So what is the answer to my question - have you got a figure in your head?
Until recently, conflicting definitions have made the calculation tricky but fortunately, a huge piece of mapping work was completed last summer - the UK National Ecosystem Assessment (NEA).
Five hundred experts analysed vast quantities of data and produced what they claim is the first coherent body of evidence about the state of Britain's natural environment.
Having looked at all the information, they calculated that "6.8% of the UK's land area is now classified as urban" (a definition that includes rural development and roads, by the way).
The urban landscape accounts for 10.6% of England, 1.9% of Scotland, 3.6% of Northern Ireland and 4.1% of Wales.
Put another way, that means almost 93% of the UK is not urban. But even that isn't the end of the story because urban is not the same as built on.
In urban England, for example, the researchers found that just over half the land (54%) in our towns and cities is greenspace - parks, allotments, sports pitches and so on.
Furthermore, domestic gardens account for another 18% of urban land use; rivers, canals, lakes and reservoirs an additional 6.6%.
Their conclusion?
In England, "78.6% of urban areas is designated as natural rather than built". Since urban only covers a tenth of the country, this means that the proportion of England's landscape which is built on is…
Paved garden of a terraced house
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Scotland and the North-East embrace paving
… 2.27%.
Yes. According to the most detailed analysis ever conducted, almost 98% of England is, in their word, natural.
Elsewhere in the UK, the figure rises to more than 99%. It is clear that only a small fraction of Britain has been concreted over.
There will be quibbles. What about the gardens people have paved? The NEA looked at that, noting how in London an estimated 3,200 hectares of front gardens have been covered in concrete, bricks or gravel.
Paving levels are highest, it was found, in the North-East of England and Scotland, where 47% and 31% of front gardens are more than three-quarters paved. The detail in their analysis is impressive.
Quite simply, the figures suggest Britain's mental picture of its landscape is far removed from the reality.
Hampster Gull
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Why should he trust you, you are cleary deluded
Albumen
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B-right-on
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Now thats a good argument "you know it makes sense". Erm - no I don't and no it doesn't. Whats makes sense is for us to remain the United Kingdom and not become part of the Forth Reich.
portslade seagull
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There isn't a deal . We will be dictated too again by the EU and forced to hand over more money, well not actually forced as we will probably bend over backwards and give them some more
melias shoes
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Blimey and I like you HG . It's only a bit of debate. We don't agree but no need to get personal. For what it's worth I think we'll stay in. I'll accept it and move on. Now be nice.
melias shoes
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GoldWithFalmer
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Fantastic reply,super!!....
It's a good job too.....perhaps we should switch the lights off..portslade seagull
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Is that why it was reported today that the EU are stepping up there efforts with regards to Turkey with regards to joining. Something just doesn't add up here
Any proof to back up your argument that we are more than 7% urbanised?
Or just a blurry photo?