[Politics] Brexit

[WATFORD zero]

How do you know what the Remain plan was ? i guess you would have to ask Brussels would they tell you ? they make up any rules that take their fancy .

Yep, because as the last 3 years has proven, the EU just 'make up' laws on the fly, ignoring all previous rules, laws, vetoes etc without any input from any members whatsoever and not considering any of the implications

Good luck with your future bus journeys

 

[Baldseagull]

I agree with you entirely fella, but there is nothing to stop that level of cross country co-operation between EU allies, NATO Allies and through the UN, it shouldnt require that in order to do so, the other party will have to take supremacy of your legislature on your behalf through political appointees.

As a member, we are making the legislature with our fellow members that we all abide with, it is not being taken by another party we have no say with, leaving does that more effectively. I do find this somewhat baffling, as we usually have a Government that has less than 50% of the popular vote in the country making our law, most people didn't want them in charge, and yet there they are, you and I will have no more of an effective voice over our destiny as a country, in fact, it will get worse as the UK finds that we are not able to divide and rule like we used to.

 

[portlock seagull]

I didn't have to dig deep at all. Someone gave me a thumbs up to my previous reply to you, so it reminded me.

Beware of flippant remarks.

Whatever, clearly I scored a blow back then! Flippancy works both ways btw and IMO the onus should really be on those who can't tell and take things literally. Unless you're extremely autism. Danny Rose is getting an unwarranted level of flack this morning from some pretty stupid people that have literally taken him at his word. He shouldn't be taken to task, the onus should be on the dumb people interpreting or misusing what he said to score points. Such people need to sharpen up those 'flippancy skills'. Same types are usually the ones who say sarcasm is the lowest form of wit when clearly it's because they're a bit dim. Sarcasm is always directly correlated to someone's stupidity. That's where the joy of it lies!

 

[albion68]

Yep, because as the last 3 years has proven, the EU just 'make up' laws on the fly without any input from any members whatsoever and not considering any of the implications

Good luck with your future bus journeys

You should get on the EU bus with all the other EU countries represented ,you would have to pay more then most of the others because you are from the UK and give your money to the friendly bus driver ,he is from Brussels by the way .

 

[peterward]

First - utter bollocks with no proof to back it up whatsoever
Second - If Remain proved to be as undeliverable as a Leave that satisfies Leave voters, then of course.

There no proof to suggest staying in is better! A range of economists have varying opinion. I am convinced by the case of economists like Graham Gudgin, (Policy Exchange’s Chief Economic Adviser, on the board of the CBR and also a Professor of economics at Cambridge, and University of Ulster Chairman of their Economic Policy Centre. But he's not the only one who supports the view that we would be far better off in the long term economically under no deal even compared against the status quo of today....
We are the most free market and productive economy in the EU (even more so than Germany per capita) and yet the EU is becoming increasingly less competitive and more protectionist. Thus why it had not grown economically, as a whole for a decade, when every other continent has.... 90% of the world's trade is in areas of growth, the EU is stagnant and becoming less competitive. Our economic model is by far an imperfect fit for the EU protectionist model (though it provides some security) we're like a shackled entrepreneur working in a secure filing clerk job.

 

[Triggaaar]

It would have been either being a no dealer or extreme illiteracy. Or repeated Hughton out posts. Those are the main triggers.

Well I'm none of those, but I've made it

 

[Baldseagull]

Unfortunately our turn-out for European elections is very poor. If we hold them this time, a heap of people will ignore them on the grounds that they are just a technicality imposed by the extension. Farage's army of nationalist morons will be whipped to vote though, and when the dust settles our contingent of MEP's will be a mob of barely literate, hard-right wreckers, who if they bother to ever turn up in Brussels, will do nothing but seek to disrupt.

Bad times.

Possibly, but I would hope the all too silent Liberals would make a case for themselves with the ever growing remain population.

 

[Thunder Bolt]

Whatever, clearly I scored a blow back then! Flippancy works both ways btw and IMO the onus should really be on those who can't tell and take things literally. Unless you're extremely autism. Danny Rose is getting an unwarranted level of flack this morning from some pretty stupid people that have literally taken him at his word. He shouldn't be taken to task, the onus should be on the dumb people interpreting or misusing what he said to score points. Such people need to sharpen up those 'flippancy skills'. Same types are usually the ones who say sarcasm is the lowest form of wit when clearly it's because they're a bit dim. Sarcasm is always directly correlated to someone's stupidity. That's where the joy of it lies!

Marvellous.

 

[Baldseagull]

With 2/3rds MP`s being Remain they were going to block Brexit as much as possible ,ERG have not got the numbers .All this soft or hard Brexit is a load of rubbish .When i get on a bus and tell the driver where i want to go i expect him to get me there. Leave should mean leave not this half in half out nonsense.

All buses Leave the depot though, what is being discussed is which bus we should get on, or if it appears none of them go anywhere near where we want to go, should we get on one at all?

 

[Triggaaar]

Unfortunately our turn-out for European elections is very poor. If we hold them this time, a heap of people will ignore them on the grounds that they are just a technicality imposed by the extension. Farage's army of nationalist morons will be whipped to vote though, and when the dust settles our contingent of MEP's will be a mob of barely literate, hard-right wreckers, who if they bother to ever turn up in Brussels, will do nothing but seek to disrupt.

Bad times.

Wouldn't remainers turn out and vote to show their support for remaining in the EU?

 

[WATFORD zero]

There no proof to suggest staying in is better! A range of economists have varying opinion. I am convinced by the case of economists like Graham Gudgin, (Policy Exchange’s Chief Economic Adviser, on the board of the CBR and also a Professor of economics at Cambridge, and University of Ulster Chairman of their Economic Policy Centre. But he's not the only one who supports the view that we would be far better off in the long term economically under no deal even compared against the status quo of today....
We are the most free market and productive economy in the EU (even more so than Germany per capita) and yet the EU is becoming increasingly less competitive and more protectionist. Thus why it had not grown economically, as a whole for a decade, when every other continent has.... 90% of the world's trade is in areas of growth, the EU is stagnant and becoming less competitive. Our economic model is by far an imperfect fit for the EU protectionist model (though it provides some security) we're like a shackled entrepreneur working in a secure filing clerk job.

And some Economists believe that staying in the EU is best for the short term, medium term and long term economic growth of the UK.

Namely,

Professor, Nobel Laureate George Akerlof Georgetown University and University of California, Berkeley
Professor, Nobel Laureate Kenneth Arrow Stanford University
Professor Sir, Nobel Laureate Angus Deaton Princeton Universiy
Professor, Nobel Laureate Peter Diamond Massachusetts Institute of Technology
Professor, Nobel Laureate Robert F. Engle III New York University
Professor, Nobel Laureate James Heckman University of Chicago
Professor, Nobel Laureate Eric Maskin Harvard University
Professor, Nobel Laureate Daniel McFadden University of Southern California and University of California, Berkeley
Professor Emeritus Sir, Nobel Laureate James Mirrlees University of Cambridge
Professor Sir, Nobel Laureate Christopher A. Pissarides London School of Economics
Professor Emeritus, Nobel Laureate Robert Solow Massachusetts Institute of Technology
Professor, Nobel Laureate Joseph Stiglitz Columbia University

Professor Lord, President of the British Academy Nicholas Stern London School of Economics
Professor Lord Richard Layard London School of Economics
Lord Gus O'Donnell Former Cabinet Secretary
Professor Sir Anthony Atkinson London School of Economics and University of Oxford
Professor Sir Richard Blundell University College London and Institute for Fiscal Studies
Professor Sir David Hendry University of Oxford
Professor Sir John Hills London School of Economics
Professor Sir Richard Jolly University of Sussex
Professor, CBE David Blanchflower Former member of the Bank of England Monetary Policy Committee
Professor, CBE Charles Goodhart London School of Economics
Professor, CBE Anthony Venables University of Oxford
Professor, OBE Diane Coyle University of Manchester
Professor and Pro Vice Chancellor Nigel Healey Nottingham Trent University
Professor and Deputy Pro Vice Chancellor Stephen Hall University of Leicester
Professor and Head of School of Economics Simon Clark University of Edinburgh
Professor, Director John Van Reenen Centre for Economic Performance, London School of Economics
Executive Director Eric Beinhocker Institute for New Economic Thinking, University of Oxford

Professor Robert Ackrill Nottingham Trent University
Professor Ali Al-Nowaihi University of Leicester
Professor Guido Ascari University of Oxford
Professor Roger Backhouse University of Birmingham
Professor Oriana Bandiera LSE
Professor Emeritus Ray Barrell Brunel University London
Professor Timothy Besley London School of Economics
Professor Arnab Bhattacharjee Heriot-Watt University
Professor Holger Breinlich University of Nottingham
Professor Robin Burgess London School of Economics
Professor Simon Burgess University of Bristol
Professor Nauro Campos Brunel University London
Professor Wendy Carlin University College London
Professor Mark Casson University of Reading
Professor Alec Chrystal Cass Business School
Professor David Cobham Heriot-Watt University
Professor Matt Cole University of Birmingham
Professor Tatiana Damjanovic Durham University
Professor Gianni De Fraja University of Nottingham
Professor Manthos Delis University of Surrey
Professor Sanjit Dhami University of Leicester
Professor Huw David Dixon Cardiff Business School
Professor Martin Ellison University of Oxford
Professor Christian-Oliver Ewald University of Glasgow
Professor J. Doyne Farmer University of Oxford
Professor John Fender University of Birmingham
Professor Martin Fransman University of Edinburgh
Professor Aditya Goenka University of Birmingham
Professor Ian Goldin University of Oxford
Professor Monica Giulietti University of Loughborough
Professor Ed Hopkins University of Edinburgh
Professor Christos Ioannidis University of Bath
Professor Peter Jackson University of Leicester
Professor Beata Javorcik University of Oxford
Professor Geraint Johnes Lancaster University
Professor Uma Kambhampati University of Reading
Professor Tatiana Kirsanova University of Glasgow
Professor Paul Levine University of Surrey
Professor Ben Lockwood University of Warwick
Professor Steve Machin University College London
Professor James Malley University of Glasgow
Professor Christopher Martin University of Bath
Professor Mariana Mazzucato University of Sussex
Professor Sandra McNally University of Surrey
Professor Costas Milas University of Liverpool
Professor Giordano Mion University of Sussex
Professor Hassan Molana University of Dundee
Professor Catia Montagna Aberdeen Business School
Professor John Muellbauer University of Oxford
Professor Anastasia Nesvetailova City University of London
Professor Ozlem Onaran University of Greenwich
Professor Gulcin Ozkan University of York
Professor Keith Pilbeam City University of London
Professor Graham Room University of Bath
Professor JMC Santos-Silva University of Surrey
Professor Stuart Sayer University of Edinburgh
Professor Emeritus Peter Sinclair University of Birmingham
Professor Frank Skinner Brunel University
Professor Peter Smith University of York
Professor Chris Starmer University of Nottingham
Professor Peter Spencer University of York
Professor Jakub Steiner University of Edinburgh
Professor Margaret Stevens University of Oxford
Professor Emeritus Frances Stewart University of Oxford
Professor Alan Sutherland University of St Andrews
Professor Robert Taylor University of Essex
Professor Christoph Thoenissen The University of Sheffield
Professor Ian Tonks University of Bath
Professor Jan Toporowski University of London
Professor Mehmet Ugur University of Greenwich
Professor Leighton Vaughan Williams Nottingham Trent University
Professor John Wilson University of St Andrews
Professor David Vines University of Oxford
Professor Emeritus John Weeks University of London
Professor Robert Witt University of Surrey
Professor Simon Wren-Lewis University of Oxford
Professor Tony Yates University of Birmingham
Professor Daniel Zizzo Newcastle University

Associate Professor Simon Appleton University of Nottingham
Associate Professor Christopher Bowdler University of Oxford
Associate Professor Alesandra Ferrari University of Reading
Associate Professor Andrea Ferrero University of Oxford
Associate Professor Daniela Gabor UWE Bristol
Associate Professor Christos Kolympiris University of Bath
Associate Professor Alexander Mihailov University of Reading
Associate Professor Thijs van Rens University of Warwick
Assistant Professor Ralf Martin Imperial College

Dr Federica Alberti University of Portsmouth
Mr Colin Ash University of Reading
Dr. Peter Backus University of Manchester
Dr. Abigail Barr University of Nottingham
Dr Jo Blanden University of Surrey
Dr Peter Bloom The Open University
Dr. Yang Bo Swansea University
Dr Gianna Boero University of Warwick
Dr. Sean Brocklebank University of Edinburgh
Dr. Cristiano Cantore University of Surrey
Dr. Joanna Clifton-Sprigg University of Bath
Dr. Agelos Delis Aston University
Dr. Matt Dickson University of Bath
Dr. Marco Ercolani University of Birmingham
Dr. Jan Fidrmuc Brunel University
Dr. Maria Garcia-Alonso University of Kent
Dr. Chryssi Giannitsarou University of Cambridge
Dr. Sara Gorgoni University of Greenwich
Dr. Liam Graham University College London
Dr Adelina Gschwandtner University of Kent
Dr. Ian Gregory-Smith University of Sheffield
Dr. Jan Grobovsek University of Edinburgh
Dr. Tom Holden University of Surrey
Dr. Peter Holmes University of Sussex
Dr. John Houston Glasgow Caledonian University
Dr. Ethan Ilzetzki London School of Economics
Dr. Adi Imsirovic University of Surrey
Dr. Gregory James Loughborough University
Dr Sarah Jewell University of Reading
Dr. Chris Jones Aston Business School
Dr. Alexander Karalis Isaac University of Warwick
Dr. Tatiana Kornienko University of Edinburgh
Dr. Sarolta Laczó University of Surrey
Dr. Neil Lancastle De Montfort University
Dr. Joao Madeira University of York
Dr. Sara Maioli Newcastle University
Dr. Alexander Mandilaras University of Surrey
Mr. John Marsh Nottingham Trent University
Dr. Frederico Martellosio University of Surrey
Dr. Jolian McHardy University of Sheffield
Dr. Antonio Mele University of Surrey
Dr. Andrew Mell University of Oxford
Dr. Damon Morris University of Sheffield
Dr. David Morris Aston Business School
Dr. Nicholas Myers University of Edinburgh
Dr. Antonio Navas University of Sheffield
Dr. Kyriakos Neanidis University of Manchester
Dr. Juan Paez-Farrell University of Sheffield
Dr Stefania Paredes Fuentes University of Warwick
Dr. Jonathan Perraton University of Sheffield
Dr. Andrew Pickering University of York
Dr. Dimitra Politi University of Edinburgh
Dr. and Deputy Head of Dept. Peter Postl University of Bath
Dr. J. James Reade University of Reading
Dr. Pontus Rendahl University of Cambridge
Dr. (Assoc Dean Research) Patricia Rice University of Oxford
Dr. Mary Robertson University of Greenwich
Dr. Raffaele Rossi University of Manchester
Dr. Tomás Rotta University of Greenwich
Dr. Jeff Round University of Bristol
Dr. Colin Rowat University of Birmingham
Dr. Ozge Senay University of St. Andrews
Dr. Kavita Sirichand Loughborough University
Dr Samue Smithers Department of Work and Pensions
Dr. Christian Soegaard University of Warwick
Dr. Michalis Stamatogiannis University of Liverpool
Dr. Radek Stefanski University of St. Andrews
Dr. Frank Strobel University of Birmingham
Dr Roman Sustek Queen Mary, University of London
Dr Nicole Tabasso University of Surrey
Dr. William Tayler Lancaster University
Dr. Emma Tominey University of York
Dr Gianpiero Torrisi University of Portsmouth
Dr. Flavio Toxvaerd University of Cambridge
Dr. Kei Tsutsui University of Bath
Dr. Sam Wills University of Oxford
Dr. Robert Zymek University of Edinburgh
Professor Nicholas Bloom Stanford University
Professor Philippe Aghion Harvard University

 

[golddene]

First, for the long term economic future remain is not the best option.
Second, in a parallel universe where remain won in June 2016, would you be talking about compromise or another referendum to see if remain was really what they wanted?

To answer your first point yes I honestly believe that in the short, medium and long term we will be better off remaining in the EU, how long do you take as the "long term?" One of the main protagonists for hard leave has already stated 50 years before we may feel any benefit? At my age 10 years is a long term and I may not be around then even.
To answer your second point it makes no difference to me whether we have two or twenty two referenda, I would vote with my beliefs that we are better in the EU than out, you would possibly do the same in your beliefs, until I have been convinced with honesty and openness that out is better than in then my position would not change. As Farage allegedly stated prior to the announcement of the results that 48-52 against leaving would not be the end of the matter then the same goes for remaining.

 

[Triggaaar]

I'll take that as you don't then.

Yes. Have you got an argument to explain why you think it is a trap?

 

[Dave the OAP]

Dear mrs may

You want an extension?

**** off

Yours

Donald t

 

[Baldseagull]

A long read but makes the case very well why even staying in is better than a CU, it's written by Greg Hands a Tory MP but he's worked under Liam fox for 2 years. If you read it, I'd be interested if you still think a CU is a good idea! https://www.greghands.com/news/five-main-reasons-why-eu-customs-union-would-be-worst-choice-all

A tad one sided, it makes the case that FTA's with third countries that have an FTA with the EU would be low priority for them, as they would have significant access to the UK market through the EU. Well, if we signed up to a deal like Turkeys, then maybe, but if we enter an agreement that would name us as a separate and joint entity in regards to existing FTA's which after all, were signed whilst we were members, it would solve quota issues at the WTO for the EU and the UK. I agree it depends on the type of customs union we sign up to, as my previous post states, there are degrees of Union and they matter enormously, a bad deal could be worse than no deal on a customs union. All are worse than membership.

 

[CHAPPERS]

Wouldn't remainers turn out and vote to show their support for remaining in the EU?

All voting for different parties.

May is now using the threat of Farage and his mates picking up a load of MEPs to push Labour towards her deal. Scumbag.


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[Triggaaar]

May is now using the threat of Farage and his mates picking up a load of MEPs to push Labour towards her deal. Scumbag.

How does Farage getting MEPs, for an organisation that we're leaving, threaten Labour?

 

[Bold Seagull]

Dear mrs may

You want an extension?

**** off

Yours

Donald t

Christ, don't tell me Trump's getting involved now.

 

[Baldseagull]

But the point is, would anyone build any sort of border between Ireland and Northern Ireland. The answer is no, it wouldn't happen. You realise that, right?

Not on day one, but depending on what sort of differences there were between the UK and EU regulations, it may become absolutely necessary.

 

[albion68]

All buses Leave the depot though, what is being discussed is which bus we should get on, or if it appears none of them go anywhere near where we want to go, should we get on one at all?

What was Remains plan then ? .Was it a bit to simple to just vote Remain or does Remain mean Remain .