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[Politics] Brexit

If there was a second Brexit referendum how would you vote?


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A1X

Well-known member
NSC Patron
Sep 1, 2017
20,524
Deepest, darkest Sussex
Rumblings from an ERG member that reaching out to JC is the final straw.

And what are they going to do about it? They shot their bolt in December, can't try again until nearly Christmas at getting shot of her.
 






Gwylan

Well-known member
Jul 5, 2003
31,827
Uffern
Potentially clever by the Tories to bring in Labour wholesale, someone for them to blame when it all goes tits up!

I made that exact point about two years ago. If I'd have been PM, bringing in Labour would have been my first move - she'd get the credit for a good deal and share the blame if it went wrong. Now, it's going to be seen as endorsing Corbyn as someone with political gravitas. It's really bad timing on May's part
 




Lever

Well-known member
Feb 6, 2019
5,443
Good. Maybe we won't have to listen to Mark Francois on the news anymore and he crawls back under the rock he came from.

Loved the comment on Francois' invective against Hammond quoted in the Politics Live Show. One contributor said there is a race to the bottom in politicians' foul and inappropriate language, adding tersely that Francois had already reached it!
 


WATFORD zero

Well-known member
NSC Patron
Jul 10, 2003
27,751
The stupid thing is that we can be fairly sure that NOBODY who bothered to vote will have voted for that.

Shambles.

If you can be 'fairly sure' nobody voted for that, maybe you could tell us what 'fairly surely' everyone voted for :shrug:
 


vegster

Sanity Clause
May 5, 2008
28,272
Poor dear - at 71 she probably does find it all a bit too demanding.

The government expects me to carry on with my job until I'm 68, I wouldn't mind sitting down and dozing off for a job.
 






pb21

Well-known member
Apr 23, 2010
6,684
Not really, while we all know it already, she has just stated and admitted for the first time she cannot govern, therefore is now seeking the opposition and Parliamentary consensus rather that being forced on her by Letwin's motions.

We all know Labour voted for Clarke and Bole's motions last night, so any compromise is going to have to include those. The Tories, SNP, DUP, and Libs didn't compromise at all. Had she allowed a free vote, there is little doubt both Clarke's and Bole's would have got decent majorities. Boles is upset because he knows how many colleagues wanted to vote for what he put forward.

I made that exact point about two years ago. If I'd have been PM, bringing in Labour would have been my first move - she'd get the credit for a good deal and share the blame if it went wrong. Now, it's going to be seen as endorsing Corbyn as someone with political gravitas. It's really bad timing on May's part

Maybe they sense a long delay is inevitable and would like to make it seem like it's all Labour's fault for being inflexible and useless.
 






Weststander

Well-known member
Aug 25, 2011
69,241
Withdean area
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Sturgeon, the biggest shit stirrer in British politics. If you follow Scottish politics at all, she looks to crush Labour at every opportunity. She’s found some new found Remain mates in England, who’ll learn to despise her when she hinders a Corbyn coalition.
 




vegster

Sanity Clause
May 5, 2008
28,272
Just reading the speech that May made, makes herself out to look an idiot at usual...… "Any plan would have to agree the current withdrawal agreement. It has already been negotiated with the 27 other members and the EU has repeatedly said that it cannot and will not be reopened."


So why did she keep going out to Brussels to try to get the wording on the backstop changed ? So, a complete waste of time !
 




pb21

Well-known member
Apr 23, 2010
6,684
Make it seem like it's Labour's fault for being useless by being useless?

:lolol:

Did think it was somewhat ironic!

Seriously though a long delay is now reasonably likely, instead of taking 100% of the blame for that why not try and shift as much of that as possible?
 


sully

Dunscouting
Jul 7, 2003
7,933
Worthing
If you can be 'fairly sure' nobody voted for that, maybe you could tell us what 'fairly surely' everyone voted for :shrug:

As the option was leave or stay, I very much doubt that anyone who got off their backside and voted leave would expect that leave would include remaining in a customs union and with free movement. Surely that’s about the only two things that we were told we’d be rid of by voting to “take back control”. What I quoted was saying that what we’ll end up with is “as good as staying”, whilst actually leaving!

Obviously, nobody who voted to remain wanted to remain but not be able to influence what might change in the future.

This is what I imagine those who stayed away from the referendum, shrugged and said “I’m not that bothered either way” would be happy with, but not those who voted.

I could of course be wrong. I’m just offering my opinion. I just think that if we’re going to leave, we should do it properly, not by tying ourselves to the club still. It just seems pointless.
 


Thunder Bolt

Silly old bat
Sturgeon, the biggest shit stirrer in British politics. If you follow Scottish politics at all, she looks to crush Labour at every opportunity. She’s found some new found Remain mates in England, who’ll learn to despise her when she hinders a Corbyn coalition.

Lord Adonis, Labour peer agrees with her.

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The Rivet

Well-known member
Aug 9, 2011
4,592
A nation can survive its fools, and even the ambitious. But it cannot survive treason from within. An enemy at the gates is less formidable, for he is known and carries his banner openly. But the traitor moves amongst those within the gate freely, his sly whispers rustling through all the alleys, heard in the very halls of government itself. For the traitor appears not a traitor; he speaks in accents familiar to his victims, and he wears their face and their arguments, he appeals to the baseness that lies deep in the hearts of all men. He rots the soul of a nation, he works secretly and unknown in the night to undermine the pillars of the city, he infects the body politic so that it can no longer resist. A murderer is less to fear.”

Caldwell
 


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