[Politics] Brexit

[clapham_gull]

Next Tory leader not Boris he's yesterday's man, not Mogg he's last centuries man, not Grayling he's leaf on the line man which realistically leaves Jeramy Hunt, Michael Gove or Andria Leadson as the big Names or somone as oftern is the case in these situations sneaks in as the least disliked

...or Dominic Raab, the least disliked hard brexiteer.

I suspect Michael Gove. He stayed local to the Prime Minister and is actually a good Environment minister, completely recovering from his last job.

https://www.independent.co.uk/voice...retary-conaervative-theresa-may-a8155776.html

Stabbing Boris in the back won't lose many votes.

 

[Hampster Gull]

How is it even possible to mess something up so comprehensively? Lots of "incompetence" masking power play here.

And where is Farage in all this? I thought he was going to save Britain. Or something.

Oh, here he is with his infantile posturing...


https://www.belfasttelegraph.co.uk/...ally-want-me-back-in-this-place-37958302.html

Appalling isn’t Clamp

 

[Javeaseagull]

I’m not so sure about that and neither was Alaistair Campbell tonight. Corbyn’s poll figures (given a Tory party tearing itself apart) are awful.

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Fully agree with everything you say but can’t help thinking that Boris, JRM and Gove will be the perfect opposition for Jeremy..
That should put the shits up on a few on here

 

[pastafarian]

While we've only had limited control over EU immigration, we've had full control over immigration from the rest of the world.

We did indeed only have the options of limited control of EU immigration, its refreshing to see another remainer admit it. Perhaps you could inform the tiny few on here who insist we have always had control of EU immigration but simply don’t bother.

He's a Tory! You really think he favours Labour?! He's picked the amendments as per how popular they appear to be, and he doesn't take bollocks from either side.

Where specifically has his course of action unfairly favoured any one side?

The speaker does not pick amendments according to popularity. There are many aspects to consider but popularity is not one of them.
The question of favouring one side when amendments are picked is not widely off the truth.
The speaker has a duty to protect the rights of parliamentary minorities. It is why amendments from the opposition front bench will usually always be permitted and the speaker will look favourably on amendments from backbench opposition MPs as it gives the chance for the minorities in parliament to give their opinion. It may look and appear as bias from the outside, but it really isn’t bias and the "favouritism", for want of a better word,just ensures minority views get their chance to be aired against the ruling government…..a pretty healthy way to do business.

Next Tory leader not Boris he's yesterday's man, not Mogg he's last centuries man, not Grayling he's leaf on the line man which realistically leaves Jeramy Hunt, Michael Gove or Andria Leadson as the big Names or somone as oftern is the case in these situations sneaks in as the least disliked

Sajid Javid and Ruth Davidson have polled much higher amongst actual Tory party members than Johnson, Gove and Hunt during the brexit process. Leadsom and Grayling didn’t even get a look in. Don’t be swayed by where the bookies want you to place your money.

 

[The Clamp]

Appalling isn’t Clamp

Certainly is. And watching grown men and women who are supposed to lead and set an example, chosen and paid by the people, mug off the citizens of Britain in a desperate attempt to hang on to/seize power is disgusting.
Butwill lessons be learned? Will the instigators of this mess face justice? Not a bit of it. They will slink away to their chateaux's in France, cushioned from the public and Brexit bythier millions.
I cannot remember a time when our leaders have cocked such an obvious snoop to the people that elect them and pay their wages. Criminal.

 

[Eeyore]

What do we want? Brexit
When do we want it? No

 

[LlcoolJ]

Prominent Brexiter talking to journalist off the record,

"We never expected to win, we didn't want to win. What we wanted was to frighten Brussels into giving us a better deal. Now we're all screwed and there's no way out"

Boris and Gove were clearly thinking exactly that the day after the referendum. Never seen either of them so 'rabbit in the headlights' scared.

It was a leadership challenge via a nefarious route.

Anyone who thinks that Johnson really supports (or ever has supported) Leave, instead of just supporting himself, and saying what he thinks will make him more popular, is a halfwit.

 

[Pevenseagull]

....well, at least we've got control back.

 

[Hampster Gull]

Certainly is. And watching grown men and women who are supposed to lead and set an example, chosen and paid by the people, mug off the citizens of Britain in a desperate attempt to hang on to/seize power is disgusting.
Butwill lessons be learned? Will the instigators of this mess face justice? Not a bit of it. They will slink away to their chateaux's in France, cushioned from the public and Brexit bythier millions.
I cannot remember a time when our leaders have cocked such an obvious snoop to the people that elect them and pay their wages. Criminal.

It is appalling, the political “elite” are an embarrassment, shown up for what they are. We need our best people in there. not those,who can’t do anything else

 

[LlcoolJ]

I’m not so sure about that and neither was Alaistair Campbell tonight. Corbyn’s poll figures (given a Tory party tearing itself apart) are awful.

Instead it could well be a hung parliament, with the SNP wiping out the Labour Party north of the border yet again, and possibly the LibDems gaining in England and Wales.

You mean we might actually get a half decent government? I'd be all for a coalition rather than the useless shower of utter ***** we currently have in charge.

Whatever happens we need rid of the current government as they are the worst in my living memory. On every level.

 

[Blue3]

Sajid Javid and Ruth Davidson have polled much higher amongst actual Tory party members than Johnson, Gove and Hunt during the brexit process. Leadsom and Grayling didn’t even get a look in. Don’t be swayed by where the bookies want you to place your money.

Would not waste a penny on this useless shower of Tory scum....... No offence like

 

[Javeaseagull]

Jeremys time is coming. We look at America and the popular vote was for Bernie Sanders. That cocked up and the people regretted it. I think we can learn from America.

 

[pastafarian]

Sajid Javid and Ruth Davidson have polled much higher amongst actual Tory party members than Johnson, Gove and Hunt during the brexit process. Leadsom and Grayling didn’t even get a look in. Don’t be swayed by where the bookies want you to place your money.

Would not waste a penny on this useless shower of Tory scum....... No offence like

Its ok im not offended and i wasnt suggesting you had to place a bet.

 

[Baldseagull]

So if we Leave with 'No Deal' lots of people will die,but if we stay in the EU we will all live forever?

No, but for you leavers it will feel like it.

 

[Javeaseagull]

Who are the tories going to put up against Jeremy? Please Lord, it is one of the following. JRM, Boris or Gove.
He will make mince of any of them. No wonder the tories are bricking it.

 

[clapham_gull]

Boris and Gove were clearly thinking exactly that the day after the referendum. Never seen either of them so 'rabbit in the headlights' scared.

It was a leadership challenge via a nefarious route.

Anyone who thinks that Johnson really supports (or ever has supported) Leave, instead of just supporting himself, and saying what he thinks will make him more popular, is a halfwit.

Not sure about Gove, he is a pragmatist but has always been ideologically opposed to Europe even if not publicly.

However

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-37439890

 

[peterward]

It is appalling, the political “elite” are an embarrassment, shown up for what they are. We need our best people in there. not those,who can’t do anything else

Totally agree. Technocratic non partisan. Chancellor from very senior management position in world of finance. Transport minister whose been senior manager within the transport industry etc etc and pay commensurate wages. Partisan Oxbridge toffs, and little red book Marxists are equally self interested ideologues. For all the guff from Cameron and Corbyn about a "new politics" we really need new parties and new ways of ensuring the very best qualified get secretary of state jobs.

 

[Triggaaar]

It seems talk here has turned to the next election. Has one been called? Did Brexit disappear?

 

[peterward]

Jeremys time is coming. We look at America and the popular vote was for Bernie Sanders. That cocked up and the people regretted it. I think we can learn from America.

The man happy to sit down with the IRA, Hizzbolah and attend terrorist funerals, but storms out if that international pariah Chuka Umuna is in the room? He thought Venezuela was proof that the socialist revolution would work for the UK? Going back to 1970's socialism is not revolution it's utter foolishness.

 

[Eeyore]

Sajid Javid and Ruth Davidson have polled much higher amongst actual Tory party members than Johnson, Gove and Hunt during the brexit process. Leadsom and Grayling didn’t even get a look in. Don’t be swayed by where the bookies want you to place your money.

Would not waste a penny on this useless shower of Tory scum....... No offence like

Ruth Davidson would need a seat first. She could be elected leader then parachuted in. Think the Tories did that many decades ago.

She'd be brutal and quite brilliant.. Would the rank and file would want one of...... those ?