[Politics] Brexit

[Mellotron]

Although I didn't vote for Brexit, I am 100% convinced that the EU has a very limited future. It has been failing for 10 years and although they can't see it, it is sliding. It needs reforming but it won't reform. When it finally crashes and burns, it won't just be innocent Brits failing to get vital medicines. It will be a 500 million people problem. Some can scaremonger as much as they like about this Brexit but when Eurofall happens ( 8-12 years maximum ) we just have to make sure we don't get caught in the avalanche.

Guesswork - you might be right, you might not. People have been predicting the downfall of the EU for quite a while now.

What I'm talking about is right now, and IS pretty much confirmed as what would happen in a No Deal Brexit.

 

[LadySeagull]

Grow up.

I am, thanks.

Anyone who continues to use the hackneyed expression 'project fear' really ought to read more and express a bit more originality. It's completely meaningless now - perhaps always was.

It is certainly still rife, and you lot are spinning it because you are scared of what will happen to upturn your personal applecart.

in the meantime lay off the vomit inducing self righteousness or nick off out of the the thread.

Nope. Still here.

 

[Thunder Bolt]

No I don't support no deal.

Project Fear at it's best.

''Likely cause deaths'', eh? Madness.

I even posted a link to Matt Hancock the Health minister a page or two back, but you chose to ignore it. No Deal means holding up vital drugs coming into this country. 90% of the insulin needed for diabetics comes from Denmark.
In case you missed it, here it is again.
https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/politics/health-secretary-refuses-deny-claiming-13593329

 

[LadySeagull]

And you missed that I said (and you quoted me) that I don't support no deal.

So why lecture me on what 'no deal' means? However, it will NOT likely cause deaths. Don't believe everything you read.

 

[Lever]

I am, thanks.

It is certainly still rife, and you lot are spinning it because you are scared of what will happen to upturn your personal applecart.

Nope. Still here.

What other cliches do you rely on then? We need a bit of a laugh......

 

[LadySeagull]

My turn now?

 

[Pavilionaire]

Hang on, has it been confirmed no whips for the votes this evening? I thought there was going to be whips on both sides...?

Dirty prev.

 

[Moshe Gariani]

331 / 287

 

[Thunder Bolt]

MPs back Sir Oliver Letwin's Brexit indicative votes business motion by 331 votes to 287. Debate and votes on different Brexit options can now take place.

 

[LadySeagull]

OK so maybe we can all discuss some options here soon rather than the slagging off of any leave option.

 

[Lever]

OK so maybe we can all discuss some options here soon rather than the slagging off of any leave option.

Sounds good. Discussion in, worn out cliches out!

 

[Thunder Bolt]

And you missed that I said (and you quoted me) that I don't support no deal.

So why lecture me on what 'no deal' means? However, it will NOT likely cause deaths. Don't believe everything you read.

I didn't read it. I heard Matt Hancock say it is probable. You were the one who said this isn't a life or death situation. At the moment there is still a prospect of No Deal, regardless of what you support.

 

[Ernest]

Bercow just gave May a warning about her deal coming back for a 3rd vote and unless there is a major change to it then it ain't gonna be allowed

 

[Baldseagull]

I have to say, Rees-Mogg was tying himself up in knots with his absurd whys and buts as to why the house taking control was a bad idea. Anyone would think he could see his dream of keeping millions of unpaid tax from the UK tax man going up in flames...

To be fair I don't think the EU rules would go as far as stopping him offshoring, it would just mean he could not hide the value and location of those funds.

 

[Tom Hark Preston Park]

Have to say John Bercow as Speaker is a class act. Keeps the bellicose rabble in ORRRRRDRRRRR with always a bit of a twinkle in his eye. And not in any way afraid to be a thorn in the side of the government. Nice line in jumpers also

 

[KZNSeagull]

Speaker reiterates his view that MV3 can only happen if it meets the "test of change". The government will not be allowed to table other motions (paving motion??) to circumvent this. This should be a fun few days then.

 

[Bold Seagull]

That's a different point to the one being discussed, the claim we could always control EU immigration.

It's certainly true that recent governments have favoured increasing levels of net immigration (without any mandate) to record levels mainly for economic reasons (also impacts the UK workforce, puts pressure on services, housing and social cohesion in some areas) and misled /lied to the electorate about controlling it. (One reason why some voted leave.) But I doubt it's as simple as more immigrants always means a better economy or else every country would throw their borders open and no EU country would have blocked the 2004 accession countries workers. Many managed to grow their economies without them. Also, it must be obvious that it's an unsustainable policy.

Anyone concerned about levels of EU immigration thinking voting leave would make a difference would already see their vote has had an effect. Pretending the immediate drop off since the referendum has nothing to do with Brexit is silly. The only way we wouldn't gain more control of our immigration policy by voting leave is if the political class ignored the referendum result or insisted on a BRINO /soft Brexit where we didn't really take back control of anything …. Oh.

Of course it's an unsustainable policy because capitalism itself is an unsustainable economic model. Capitalism and worldwide population growth go hand in hand. You've voted to leave the EU to control immigration but vote for a party or politics that never will.

While we've only had limited control over EU immigration, we've had full control over immigration from the rest of the world. Not been implemented. Why vote to leave a strong economic relationship for control over immigration, when we've not been bothered to control the immigration we can do?

 

[Thunder Bolt]

Have to say John Bercow as Speaker is a class act. Keeps the bellicose rabble in ORRRRRDRRRRR with always a bit of a twinkle in his eye. And not in any way afraid to be a thorn in the side of the government. Nice line in jumpers also

My favourite politician, and a good successor to one of the best Betty Boothroyd. Nobody crossed her.

 

[neilbard]

Have to say John Bercow as Speaker is a class act. Keeps the bellicose rabble in ORRRRRDRRRRR with always a bit of a twinkle in his eye. And not in any way afraid to be a thorn in the side of the government. Nice line in jumpers also

Really, Bercow is more like the The Complete And Utter Shyster of parliament. #look@me

 

[Tom Hark Preston Park]

Really, Bercow is more like the The Complete And Utter Shyster of parliament. #look@me

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