[Politics] Brexit

[Herr Tubthumper]

So you want a rift to be fixed, and to do it you want the entire country to go against one of the main two parties

Whatever. But what I think is irrelevant.....many millions will not forget.

 

[vegster]

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Not my MP, but hey-ho

This is the **** that supposedly represents me in parliament. A career middle ranking Tory apparatchik who's only brief moment in the limelight was to be seen marching with a small band of fellow MP's gushing their support for Andrea Leadsome's leadership campaign. Mind you, he got one hell of a shock when his majority was cut massively at the last GE.

 

[Dave the OAP]

Around. Just very bored with this thread so I don't pop my head in that often:

1) The argument for Brexit is never explained on here beyond "you lost, most people disagree with you, get over it" so what's the point? Actually in fairness I can accept the socialist argument although I don't agree with it, but 95% of Brexiteers don't believe in socialism anyway.

2) At this point I think the only fair and indeed deliverable way to proceed is to pursue a soft Brexit, remaining inside the customs union and common market. Not ideal from a remain point of view, but honours the referendum result and reflects the closeness of the vote. What can't be allowed to happen are the posh tossers trying to push through no-deal like jobs don't matter. That's really all I care about now tbh. No-deal would be far less democratic than Jeremy Corbyn's (and mine) alternative outlined here.

Does that mean , a soft brexit, that freedom of movement remains ?

 

[Tim Over Whelmed]

You can certainly offer me one. Will that be ready in 3 months or a year.

Ah, now you're moving into the detail, I'm not at that stage, I just want to offer it to you on the basis that I don't know what the ingredients are, where you want it delivered or when, for the moment I just want to know whether you'd like one, tie you into it contractually and then we'll agree the detail, including the size and price.

 

[ManOfSussex]

Er, the Article 50 negotiations

Oh, for the 'negotiations.' Basically for an extension of the process, sorry 'negotiations', to allow some extra time as specified by The EU, with no coherent plan, for London to procrastinate and argue amongst itself and agree on nothing/renege on it if do. Again.

We should just revoke A50. It'll give us more control of proceedings and dignity as a country.

 

[Dave the OAP]

Jesus Christ! Are you Ernest? Cameron thought he was doing the right thing and putting the Euro sceptics on the back foot, but with hindsight he made a monumental mistake. But you want to tar all right of centre thinkers (many of whom voted remain) as being guilty of wilfully screwing up UK plc, grow up man.

No he saw that ukip was eating away at his MPs and Tory party support nad needed to see them off. He called a referendum to put them to bed....it worked out splendidly and now he has ****ed off to the city gravy train.

 

[ManOfSussex]

This is the **** that supposedly represents me in parliament. A career middle ranking Tory apparatchik who's only brief moment in the limelight was to be seen marching with a small band of fellow MP's gushing their support for Andrea Leadsome's leadership campaign. Mind you, he got one hell of a shock when his majority was cut massively at the last GE.

I saw the **** before the Fulham game earlier this season walking up from Falmer station. It was a very disturbing experience. He was almost certainly on the same train as me from Lewes.

 

[Questions]

Yeah but I didn’t realise it would be so bloody complicated just ordering a burger. I was just hungry ffs. I probably will end not eating now.

 

[nwgull]

Well the 3 options certainly wouldn't be equal runners, as it would split the remain vote. There's concern that a 2nd referendum would damage the country too much. I don't think it would, but if those are our options in a straight 3 way vote, the shit would really hit the fan.

I don't see whay we can't have a preferential vote/instant run-off type ballot? That would be the fairest way and should eventualy result in an appropriate compromise.

 

[Triggaaar]

Oh, for the 'negotiations.' Basically for an extension of the process, sorry 'negotiations', to allow some extra time as specified by The EU, with no coherent plan, for London to procrastinate and argue amongst itself and agree on nothing/renege on it if do. Again.

Yes. I'm not putting forward an argument in favour of the way we've been 'negotiating'. I'm not saying the EU should give us an extension. I'm simply saying that if the alternative is us leaving without a deal, then I think the EU will give us an extension. You disagree, you don't think they will. Can we not just leave it there?

 

[Eeyore]

Speaker has allowed vote on second referendum.

So Labour will now either go against official policy or not.

Can't have a go at the Tories if they do.

 

[Triggaaar]

I don't see whay we can't have a preferential vote/instant run-off type ballot? That would be the fairest way and should eventualy result in an appropriate compromise.

Yes it can be done. I'm just saying it won't be done with 3 straight options, as 'wehatepalace' suggested.

 

[Ernest]

Ian Paisley putting the straightener onto Gove , putting him in his place

 

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[Goldstone1976]

 

[On the way]

Keep panicking! Luckily for you, though, if not for the majority (although not a minority in this little NSC world, granted) because the shysters in Parliament seem to have avoided - for the time being at least - doing what they are required to do through the result of a democratic referendum they voted for (in the fatuous belief they'd walk it - which just shows you how in touch they aren't) so perhaps your world isn't going to end just yet.

And for pete's sake stop this f*ck*ng remainer idiocy of screaming out, "You, as a voter, have to give me details of exactly what the future will be if we leave, and take responsibility for the future". Did you ask people who voted in Thatcher/Blair to give detailed reports on what would be done, how it would work (maybe with costings too?) It's pathetic. Many - many, many, many - people (millions in fact) disagree with you. Get over it!

Oh, and by the way, just in case the country does leave with No Deal in 17 days time, this country would not die on its arse.
It is far better, and too strong, for that. Shame some people don't realise that - we are living in a wonderful, resilient country.

Very well put GT49er, agree 100%.

 

[On the way]

Remain because I’m not a thick ****

So someone who has a different opinion to yourself is a thick ****? TBF this does seem to be the opinion of many remainers, nice!

 

[ManOfSussex]

Yes. I'm not putting forward an argument in favour of the way we've been 'negotiating'. I'm not saying the EU should give us an extension. I'm simply saying that if the alternative is us leaving without a deal, then I think the EU will give us an extension. You disagree, you don't think they will. Can we not just leave it there?

I'm saying there has to be a cogent reason for an extension, it won't be on our terms, no matter the length it's still time limited, the outcome could well still be no deal (See Martin Howe QC's piece on Conservative Home as to why he's favouring it) and it requires unanimity from The EU27.

Technical A50 extension aside for additional legislation of the WA if passed which would be granted, revocation of A50 is far more certain and simpler and allows more time and options.

 

[Blue Valkyrie]

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He's more competent than Grayling, I'll give him that.

 

[nicko31]

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Heard is Kirabati is close too...