Two Professors
Two Mad Professors
If you have been sat on that since 2016,what a relief that must be.Almost like having the guy back posting all the meaningless charts and graphs,but it brightened up the page a bit.
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[Politics] Brexit
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If you have been sat on that since 2016,what a relief that must be.Almost like having the guy back posting all the meaningless charts and graphs,but it brightened up the page a bit.
Two Professors
Two Mad Professors
Already shutting down what little production they have left.Probably sticking the begging bowl out on the off chance they might get an order from INEOS.
nicko31
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How could I have been sitting on this since 2016, it includes trade deals with Japan and Singapore?
I know you don't care and you deem it meaningless, fair enough its your opinion. But please do keep up...
Lincoln Imp
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- Feb 2, 2009
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The problem is that you are asking for factual benefits whilst Brexit enthusiasts much prefer misty and inexact intangibles.
Sovereignty for example. Sounds great but in practical terms? How will it stand up against the demands of the House of Representatives when we start our back-foot negotiations with the US? Within the past few posts a Brexiteer seems to claim that an EU member has less sovereignty than a nation of the U.K.
Or freedom to transform our global trade. Again, sounds sexy but what's been stopping us until now? Not EU membership or France wouldn't have just clinched a £30bn deal with Australia.
Immigration. A report I saw yesterday suggests that it will actually rise under current postBrexit proposals.
Meanwhile one poster wants to leave in order to facilitate a socialist utopia while others salivate over exact opposite- the low tax, low tariff Wild West economy that a no deal Brexit would very possibly herald.
The only actual FACT I recall about Brexit from the last few hours' news feeds is that Ford is now working on specific alternative sites as it steps up preparations to move production out of Britain. But that's a fact. Let's all ignore it shall we?
Ok so for guidance, what do you regard as a "real fact"? Does it have to come from the Daily Express?
Lincoln Imp
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- Feb 2, 2009
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'Little production'? How does that square with 13,000 direct employees?
Dave the OAP
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Fake news
Every country is queueing up to give us feee trade deals and even paying us to take their goods and are prepared to pay well over the odds to buy our steel, ships, cars, coal, gas, oil, financial services, baking TVs shows.
It's all going to be great.
Baker lite, or PPF, his alte ego tells us.
ManOfSussex
We wunt be druv
We've got The SADC, The EAC, Switzerland, Chile and The Faroe Islands in the bag and Dr Fox is bang on track with Israel and The Palestinian Authority - https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/brexit/8414522/liam-fox-6-of-40-trade-deals/
We're going to be just fine because everything's A-OK.
The one problem I foresee with a referendum on Scottish independence is that referendums are open to abuse. We've seen it here where people voted for or against leaving the EU without enough of the facts to hand, but of course once the vote is done, none of that matters because to reverse it or hold another referendum is seen to be undemocratic.
But moving on from that, and onto Scottish currency in particular, I just don't see why you consider the currency issue a problem. There are several options and one must surely be a good fit for them:
* retain Sterling, ideally in a currency union
* retain Sterling anyway, even if the UK reject a currency union
* independently peg their own new currency to Sterling
* join the Euro
I don't think the last option is a very good one in the long run because their economy is structured much like ours and not like European countries - it is built on house borrowing (which is why I think the Euro will one day prove very bad for Ireland).
And maybe they could just leave economic decisions like what currency to adopt to a largely ill-informed electorate? If their politicians are as crap as the Tories, they won't give a toss what damage they do as long as they moronically plough on with the winning solution.
nicko31
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5,000 jobs under threat in Bridgend alone, an area that really has little else. Are we trying to compete with the US rust belt?
And no deal somehow is still on the table, INSANE
Pavilionaire
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- Jul 7, 2003
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I'm confused by May's strategy .
We know the EU won't amend the Withdrawal Agreement so won't amend the backstop. That blows the Brady Amendment out of the water, which is currently the only type of Deal Parliament is prepared to agree to.
We also know that her 'Deal' won't get through because MPs on all sides recognise it is worse that what we have whilst tying our hands on future trade deals and potentially keeps us in the EU indefinitely.
And all the time she is delaying another meaningful vote until we get closer to 29 Mar 19. The EU will only agree to extend Article 50 for the purposes of another vote or General Election, and they've said they're not inclined to extend just to give May more time to fart about.
We know the EU won't amend the Withdrawal Agreement so won't amend the backstop. That blows the Brady Amendment out of the water, which is currently the only type of Deal Parliament is prepared to agree to.
We also know that her 'Deal' won't get through because MPs on all sides recognise it is worse that what we have whilst tying our hands on future trade deals and potentially keeps us in the EU indefinitely.
And all the time she is delaying another meaningful vote until we get closer to 29 Mar 19. The EU will only agree to extend Article 50 for the purposes of another vote or General Election, and they've said they're not inclined to extend just to give May more time to fart about.
Pavilionaire
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- Jul 7, 2003
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I don't see why the Bank of England would agree to letting Scotland - a new independent country - continue to use £ Sterling. Logically, an independent Scotland would surely look to join the Euro?
Firstly, it wouldn't have a choice about Scotland using it, it's just that the BoE would be able to make decisions without considering an independent Scotland much as the US central bank does despite the various Caribbean countries adopting the dollar. The question is whether there is a benefit to the UK in adopting a currency union with an independent Scotland - I suspect there probably are benefits, as it makes trade that much easier. But would that benefit outweigh the requirement to then consider the Scottish economy? By the way, Belgium and Luxembourg have had a currency union for decades, despite some very significantly different tax laws, and of course like the components of the UK as it is now, they are culturally very similar.
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Ford Jobs cuts in Germany
https://europe.autonews.com/automakers/ford-talks-german-workers-about-job-cuts
Ford to cut jobs in Europe
- Production at the Ford Aquitaine Industries plant in Bordeaux, France, which manufactures small automatic transmissions, will end in August 2019.
- Formal discussions have begun between Ford and its Works Council to end production of the C-MAX and Grand C-MAX at the Saarlouis Body and Assembly Plant in Germany.
- Ford is undertaking a strategic review of Ford Sollers, its joint venture in Russia. Several significant restructuring options for Ford Sollers are being considered by Ford and its partner, Sollers PJSC. A decision is expected in the second quarter.
- Ford plans to consolidate its UK headquarters and Ford Credit Europe’s headquarters at the Ford Dunton Technical Center in South East Essex. The action is subject to union consultation and local approvals.
https://eu.freep.com/story/money/cars/2019/01/10/ford-job-cuts-volkswagen/2534463002/
Ford are cutting jobs worldwide.
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Correct on all fronts. It's because she is a clueless idiot. Regardless of "no deal" being considered unacceptable to parliament, that is the default position because we have triggered A50. At that point the EU will understandably throw their hands in the air at UK government incompetence, and if the EU show any common sense, they give us a gratis extension of 6 weeks or so at our request a) just to sort out our no-deal logistics and that sort of thing but b) all the while hoping a deal can be reached.
But after that we will crash out with no deal. You will then get The Express and Mail expressing outrage that this is all the EU's fault, probably telling everyone it's all their fault for their position on the Irish border. They might even say the UK has kept the border open. Obviously the UK will close it as soon as large scale smuggling becomes apparent (inevitable), or Irish horses get equine influenza, or there is health scare over French beef - that'll be someone else's fault too.
Oh isn't Brexit going well today's news;
Elderly Brits abroad might not have health care if a no deal Brexit happens just what this country needs 300,000 pensioners to house and look after.
Ford now saying it might have to move part of its U.K. Plants to mainland Europe.
Seaborne the Government spent £800.000 on due diligence I found the same info using just my iPad and a couple of hours one evening.
It appears the Government is now planning a new last ditch vote that will include a delayed Brexit.
Meanwhile Northern Ireland has just passed the two years mark of having no Government they have been run during this period by completely unelected civil servants
A case could be made that much of the rest of the U.K. has remained ungoverned for the best part of two and a half years while our elected representatives have not sorted Brexit.
All these elected officials have failed to do there jobs is it time they were swept away deselect and not allowed to stand again for public office is it instead time for a new generation of public minded individuals to step up to the plate
Elderly Brits abroad might not have health care if a no deal Brexit happens just what this country needs 300,000 pensioners to house and look after.
Ford now saying it might have to move part of its U.K. Plants to mainland Europe.
Seaborne the Government spent £800.000 on due diligence I found the same info using just my iPad and a couple of hours one evening.
It appears the Government is now planning a new last ditch vote that will include a delayed Brexit.
Meanwhile Northern Ireland has just passed the two years mark of having no Government they have been run during this period by completely unelected civil servants
A case could be made that much of the rest of the U.K. has remained ungoverned for the best part of two and a half years while our elected representatives have not sorted Brexit.
All these elected officials have failed to do there jobs is it time they were swept away deselect and not allowed to stand again for public office is it instead time for a new generation of public minded individuals to step up to the plate
Chaos. As predicted by the more astute of us 3 years ago.
Garry Nelson's teacher
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There's a line somewhere labelled 'decency' which this just has crossed.
Wind your neck in. People are losing their jobs over this now. You’re the kind of hateful person that would have jeered at miners in the 80’s and told them it’s Thatcher getting control back from the unions. Hang your head in shame. You did this.
I don't think anybody predicted this shambles 3 years ago. Indeed, plenty of Brexiteers would have told you that the process of leaving might be painful but worth it. It is the gammon on here I have a problem with - the ones with their fingers in their ears, who don't seem to care about any fallout as long as they win, and who don't acknowledge ANY of the evidence that everything isn't going very badly indeed. I'd prefer to see more sensible rebuttals of remainer bad news such as [MENTION=22389]bashlsdir[/MENTION]'s Ford-related evidence above. Certainly mediocre occasional small pieces of good news doesn't prove anything.