[Politics] Brexit

[Thunder Bolt]

She didn't destroy any landing cards and she didn't charter that plane, sorry but it's clear like so many Europhiles on this thread you have zero compassion for your fellow poor disenfranchised EU citizens.

Accusations which are completely unfounded. I have already said I know people who live in Athens and have heard their story. I have a lot of compassion for the Greeks and the many hundreds of refugees out there too.

 

[Thunder Bolt]

People’s leave vote has contributed to the death of Homeless people. Or people as they should be called. Undeniably.

Yes, go get a job says the DWP.

https://www.theguardian.com/society...e-for-telling-seriously-ill-man-to-find-a-job

 

[Triggaaar]

4 Cases where treaty or Article 48(6) decision attracts a referendum
...

So, for example, our government could agree to join the Euro, and we wouldn't get a referendum.

 

[Westdene Seagull]

Zero hours contracts for two hours a week putting more people onto Universal Credit doesn't validate austerity.

But you're happy to validate Greek austerity .... what happened to us being one big happy club ?

 

[Bold Seagull]

This reeks of toryism doesnt it, step 1) allow banks and corporates to leverage different market orientated debt mechanisms, step 2) the Politicians supporting step 1, point to positive economic performance indicators based on debt, step 3) the proponents of steps 1 and 2 congratulate themselves with national honours and seats on boards, step 4) debt levels become unsustainable which threatens the banks and the poor pick up the consequences via austerity, while the bankers and politicians escape responsibility.

If the Greeks deserve it so did the UK in 2008, the root causes are the same.

Well, at least we can deregulate our financial sector even further after Brexit.

 

[JC Footy Genius]

Accusations which are completely unfounded. I have already said I know people who live in Athens and have heard their story. I have a lot of compassion for the Greeks and the many hundreds of refugees out there too.

Yet you have completely different criteria (making numerous excuses) when comparing the plight of the Greek people enduring externally imposed crushing austerity compared to lesser austerity in the UK.

Plus you still haven't answered my question ... how do you vote out those that inflicted crushing austerity in Greece? We can vote out the Tories.

 

[Thunder Bolt]

But you're happy to validate Greek austerity .... what happened to us being one big happy club ?

You know I haven't validated it, but that's how you post by accusing people. I explained what happened and how much Greece has been able to get through with the bailout. If they hadn't had the bailout, things would have been a lot worse.

Portugal was also in trouble, and Britain lent them money through the EU, which has been paid back to us in full. Do you only post bad news?

 

[Thunder Bolt]

Yet you have completely different criteria (making numerous excuses) when comparing the plight of the Greek people enduring externally imposed crushing austerity compared to lesser austerity in the UK.

Plus you still haven't answered my question ... how do you vote out those that inflicted crushing austerity in Greece? We can vote out the Tories.

28 countries vote for 750 MEPs, and we vote for our leader who is part of the European Commission, as you know.

 

[Westdene Seagull]

You know I haven't validated it, but that's how you post by accusing people. I explained what happened and how much Greece has been able to get through with the bailout. If they hadn't had the bailout, things would have been a lot worse.

Portugal was also in trouble, and Britain lent them money through the EU, which has been paid back to us in full. Do you only post bad news?

Actually there's plenty of 'experts' that think Greece would have been better off crashing out of the Euro. And you keep saying that the austerity was needed .... thus validating it.

The UK lent the money directly, not via the ECB/Eurozone.

Do I only post bad news ?? Ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha - care to glance at the posts on the last, say 100 pages, of this thread from your fellow remainers ? CLASSIC

 

[JC Footy Genius]

You may believe that 52% of the voters voted to Leave come what may. I do NOT believe that and suspect that a decisive minority voted Leave on the basis the NHS would get money and we'd get a Deal, the easiest Deal in history.

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We voted to leave, numerous remainers say we didn't know what type of leave we voted for so a no deal Brexit is as valid as a soft option that remainers champion as a second prize. Plus of course parliament, in it's infinite wisdom voted to enact article 50 with no pre conditions which means we leave under all circumstances on a set date unless the law is changed.

 

[beorhthelm]

28 countries vote for 750 MEPs, and we vote for our leader who is part of the European Commission, as you know.

ahem, European Council you're thinking of. easy to get confused with so many institutions.

 

[Triggaaar]

Nope, never denied it. I have been "out" for about 18 months now.

Yeah you did. You said you'd leave if the Tories got in, then you didn't, so you changed your user name. And when I've seen people call you Nibble, you've replied with:
"Nibble?"
and
"you accuse me of being another poster".

Well it's not accusing you of being another poster, if you now accept that other poster is you.

 

[JC Footy Genius]

28 countries vote for 750 MEPs, and we vote for our leader who is part of the European Commission, as you know.

This answer has no bearing on my previous question.

For the third time ... How do you vote out those that inflicted crushing austerity in Greece? We can vote out the Tories.

Any other #teameucrew Europhiles feel free to jump in and rescue TBolt.

 

[cunning fergus]

Your position is that Junker bent the rules as far as they could go, to give his country an unfair advantage, one that disadvantaged others, that is true. The EU however was and is trying to curb that possibility, trying to regain tax money not paid due to overly favourable tax rulings and Junker is supporting measures to stop members from being able to do what he did. No one outside Luxembourg thinks he did a great thing, but he did make his country one of the wealthiest per capita in the world, not himself, his country. Bob Crow used to irritate the crap out of me, but he was not responsible for my feelings or getting me to work on time, he was responsible for getting and maintaining the best working conditions he possibly could for his members, and he did that very well.

We are entering into the world of psychedelia, you are equalising the conduct of Juncker who facilitated tax evasion from global corporates, banks et al for the benefit of the RICH with a trade unionist like Crow who acted in the interests of his members who are WORKING CLASS.

In a way I am not surprised you cant understand the difference........you are defending the indefensible. You are so consumed with your zeal for the EU and the likes of Juncker that if he took a shit in your bed you would find a way to justify it.

 

[Thunder Bolt]

This answer has no bearing on my previous question.

For the third time ... How do you vote out those that inflicted crushing austerity in Greece? We can vote out the Tories.

Any other #teameucrew Europhiles feel free to jump in and rescue TBolt.

Voting for MEPs has a bearing on what happens in the EU Parliament. MEPs vote for the EU leadership.
Yes, my mistake the leaders are in the EU council not Commission. The EU Commission has 28 members, one from each country.

 

[Pavilionaire]

We voted to leave, numerous remainers say we didn't know what type of leave we voted for so a no deal Brexit is as valid as a soft option that remainers champion as a second prize. Plus of course parliament, in it's infinite wisdom voted to enact article 50 with no pre conditions which means we leave under all circumstances on a set date unless the law is changed.

You've completely ignored my point about to what extent the lies were decisive. It would only have taken 1 Leave voter in 28 to have swung the vote to Remain. I'm pretty certain the NHS bus by itself would have grabbed the 700,000 votes that proved decisive.

That point would fall by the wayside if we'd got a Deal, but we were promised one by all the main protagonists, including May's famous "Red, White and Blue Brexit" and we aren't going to get one. Parliament voted to trigger Article 50 but Parliament also voted against No Deal - it shows how clueless they are.

I honestly don't think in the 2 years since triggering Article 50 the EU have done anything that has surprised me - their actions were entirely foreseeable and predictable.

 

[portslade seagull]

Germania Airways files for bankruptcy. Brexit stretching far and wide

 

[Stat Brother]

I'll be amazed if this piece of genius isn't already here.
But I'll be jiggered if I'm going to look for it, and I make no apology for posting it again.

[tweet]1092813060316774401[/tweet]

 

[cunning fergus]

cunning fergus in posting-link-that-doesn't-support-his-point shock.

You say this often without providing an explanation. As someone that posts longer messages than me your brevity in this aspect is unusual. Let the righteousness out, why is a post on EU countries not implementing EU law (ie acting in accordance with the rules) irrelevant to the underlying issue I was responding to.

Try bullet pointing.

 

[Baldseagull]

You do realise that our much vaunted employment figures here include zero hours contracted people who maybe only work 2 hours a week. Many of them rely on Universal Credit to get by.

The Greek unemployment is going down and they are getting back on track.
https://tradingeconomics.com/greece/unemployment-rate

It's better than that, if you register self employed, and spend 16 hours a week on your business, which could be knocking on doors, you can claim working tax credits and a host of other benefits as required, instead of being on JSA, which requires you to go to interviews and face sanctions if you don't. A lot of long term unemployed not wanting work went self (un) employed.