[Politics] Brexit

[Triggaaar]

Yes, I find it puzzling that so many are still saying it would be difficult / would split the vote / etc.

You have a referendum that has two questions:
1 - do you want to leave / stay?
2 - if the outcome of the referendum on Q1 is to leave, then which option would you prefer: Mays deal / no deal / whatever else is on offer at that point?

This way, whichever way you vote, you can then have a say on what sort of leave deal you want if the vote is to leave.

That wouldn't work as well as the options described in the thread Watford linked to. The problem with your option is that many Leave votes would choose either 'Leave May's deal' or 'Leave no deal' as their first choice, but their second choice would be to remain. Your method would leave us where we are now, with most people saying that we want to leave, but when the method of leave is revealed the majority wishing we would remain instead.

 

[Thunder Bolt]

But we don't have 3 months and then when leave win again it will have just been a waste of money.

So what are Mogg and Farage suggesting being on the ballot paper

Or maybe they have just had enough of remainer May faffing about.

They are bringing it to a head and get the right deal to get out of the EU and so they should IMO.

There are no better common sense MPs than Mogg and Farage imo and remainers should be worried if it goes to another referendum.

I misled you in my previous tweet.
The Constitution Unit say 22-24 weeks laying out the correct procedures.
https://constitution-unit.com/2018/...ndum-on-brexit/amp/?__twitter_impression=true


Anyone who thinks JRM and Farage have common sense is taking the mickey. I didn't realise you were part of the Eton old boys network too.
I doff my cap to you.

 

[Kinky Gerbil]

A lot of hot air, maybe suggest a 'managed no deal' and propose sending the Royal Marines to Calcutta to do it all over again.

Yep.

More and more rubbish.


“If we really really mean it” they will fold.

 

[CHAPPERS]

Is there any valid reason for BoJo to be making a speech here?

 

[Kinky Gerbil]

“Big companies keeping wages down”

Whilst standing in front of a giant JCB digger

 

[Baldseagull]

Yep.

More and more rubbish.


“If we really really mean it” they will fold.

Play Chicken with our economy, essentially.

 

[Westdene Seagull]

That's just plain incorrect. This referendum was not legally binding. We can abandon Brexit anytime we like.

Wrong again. I agree that the referendum wasn't binding BUT since then Parliament HAS passed a law, which is still in place, that says we WILL leave on the 29th March ..... unless another law is passed.

 

[Triggaaar]

Having had to pay off Norway to be allowed in.

I'm not sure that Norway are in a position to demand payment. If we were discussing with them the option to join the EEA with Norway, and they made it difficult, they'd be made aware that one of our alternatives is to stay in the EU, where we could make things difficult for Norway.

 

[hans kraay fan club]

There are no better common sense MPs than Mogg and Farage imo and remainers should be worried if it goes to another referendum.

Nigel Farage is not, never has been, and almost certainly never will be, an MP.

He's stood for election many times, and never come close.

Because he is a lying, self-interested little toad.

 

[Bodian]

That wouldn't work as well as the options described in the thread Watford linked to. The problem with your option is that many Leave votes would choose either 'Leave May's deal' or 'Leave no deal' as their first choice, but their second choice would be to remain. Your method would leave us where we are now, with most people saying that we want to leave, but when the method of leave is revealed the majority wishing we would remain instead.

In your method, to get the version of leave you want you have to risk having the type of leave that you think could be worse than remaining, and what you would probably end up with in a leave result, is many remainers voting for a norway type deal as their leave option, whereas far fewer of the people that actually want to leave think that is the way to go, and would rather remain than have that type of Leave. The result would be that a large majority would agree that remaining was preferable to this type of leave, but we do it anyway.

Hmm yes, I see what you both mean.

 

[Bodian]

Is there any valid reason for BoJo to be making a speech here?

Leadership bid?

 

[Thunder Bolt]

1975 Referendum 10 weeks from start to finish.

Legislation introduced in Parliament 26 March 1975 and Referendum held 5 June 1975.

 

[Thunder Bolt]

Nigel Farage is not, never has been, and almost certainly never will be, an MP.

He's stood for election many times, and never come close.

Because he is a lying, self-interested little toad.

The fourth time he stood for election he was beaten by a dolphin.

 

[fanseagull]

Did anyone else see Newsnight last night? Nick Watt interviewing some northern woman who'd been at a 'Leave Means Leave' rally in London, who said it's all 'b******s', a conspiracy by remainers, David Davis should be PM and finished off by saying does he remember Oliver Cromwell and Enoch Powell.......................

What has happened to this country.

We've always had people with such opinions; they are just more vocal with it now.

 

[Kinky Gerbil]

He’s being absolutely owned by journalists.
Haha

 

[Thunder Bolt]

I'm not sure that Norway are in a position to demand payment. If we were discussing with them the option to join the EEA with Norway, and they made it difficult, they'd be made aware that one of our alternatives is to stay in the EU, where we could make things difficult for Norway.

Norway isn't part of the EU, so if we stay in, how could we make things difficult for them? 27 other countries have a vote too.

 

[Thunder Bolt]

Wrong again. I agree that the referendum wasn't binding BUT since then Parliament HAS passed a law, which is still in place, that says we WILL leave on the 29th March ..... unless another law is passed.

Article 50 can be revoked at any time up until 29th March. Parliament has to agree, but it doesn't need another law.

 

[Westdene Seagull]

Article 50 can be revoked at any time up until 29th March. Parliament has to agree, but it doesn't need another law.

Fancy providing the evidence of that ? To over rule a law new legislation must be passed ...... obviously by Parliament.

From the LSE :

"The final option is one which is, as yet, little discussed. There is, following the Court’s judgment, no doubt that it is legally possible. Parliament could simply pass legislation which instructs the Government to revoke Article 50. "

 

[Gwylan]

I'm not sure that Norway are in a position to demand payment. If we were discussing with them the option to join the EEA with Norway

I'm pretty sure that we're already a member of the EEA, all EU members are.

 

[Kinky Gerbil]

We are going to extend/withdraw article 50.

Boris has made great pains to say it would be appalling to do, his failed speech today was a leadership pitch.

He knows something will happen.