But they haven't drawn that line in the sand. They haven't ruled out the possibility of a customs union and single market arrangement. It's not what they want, but it's not off the table.
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[Politics] Brexit
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Baldseagull
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It is possible that, despite having to think about whether the extra risk is worth it, it is still worth it. That is to say, some projects will survive a downturn and can go ahead, and others would be best either relocated or shelved. Most of those links regard sectors where Britain has a lead in the tech involved, and are not easily moved, there just is not the skill base and experience in most other places. They are most welcome, but they won't be taking people off the dole in Teeside.
You can argue that, but the offer has now been made, so let's get on with it.
Thunder Bolt
Silly old bat
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Also from Jim Pickard (Financial Times)
Downing St says customs union is unacceptable: “The PM is absolutely clear on the importance of having an independent trade policy to honour the result of the referendum.”
That’s an odd interpretation of the 2016 referendum question which asked only if UK should leave or remain.
11:49 AM - 17 Jan 2019
neilbard
Hedging up
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He was supposed to be in Brighton today but the silly old duffer fell asleep on the Victoria to Ore train and ended up in Hastings.
Bold Seagull
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ManOfSussex
We wunt be druv
Nigel Evans has stated it is off the table, he's just done it on BBC News. Twice.
As did Liz Truss on Peston last night.
Baldseagull
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Whatever we end up with, the exposing of the failings of our system is I think going to bring some changes to it. I am mindful that the system has worked fairly well for a very long time, but I think now, it is no longer fit for purpose.
I wouldn't be surprised if her deal has the minutest of tweaks and then gets rejected again, but if that happens at some point she will have to compromise.
Fair enough if they're saying that, although we know that what they say and what happens are not necessarily the same thing. They say we won't have another referendum, and we probably won't, but we might. I guess it means that whatever we go back to the EU with will not include customs union and single market, but that doesn't mean we won't have to go back there, because like you say, whatever she ends up with will probably get rejected.Nigel Evans has stated it is off the table, he's just done it on BBC News. Twice.
Can you answer the question I asked you earlier?
Thunder Bolt
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Baldseagull
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If he is someone who is happy to lower the working conditions for his workforce to put profits up, and his companies tax revenues are important to the country, it is a worry, because he can influence policy. You know, like Farage said, we can be more competitive.
What?
The bloke is a grade A bell end, he would rather surround himself with his snide mates from Momentum and similar and get a few cheers than get stuck in and sort the problem out, the bloke is spineless, could you imagine what he’d be like if he actually got to number 10!
*Man drowning*
Corbyn: "I've been very clear I do not want this man to drown."
People; "Great, then do something about it."
Corbyn: "I've been very clear I do not want this man to drown."
People: "Dude, he's drowning like right now. Do something."
Corbyn: "I am doing something, I am being very clear that I do not want this man to drown."
People: "Mate, I've got the coastguard on the phone, can you talk to them?"
Corbyn: "I will only talk to them if they rule out this man drowning."
People: "They're trying to stop it happening, just talk to them!"
Corbyn: "Their refusal to rule it out means I have no confidence in the Coastguard."
People: "He's disappearing below the waves, you're holding a lifebelt, just f**king throw it!"
Corbyn: "I've already been very clear I do not want this man to drown."
People: "Then throw the lifebelt!"
Corbyn: "I willabide by the decision of my party but throwing the belt is not off the table."
People: "..."
Corbynites: "Brilliant master strategy again, Jeremy! Playing 8D chess all at the same time. I think we need a Twitterstorm about how great you are!"
People: "..."
Corbyn: "I sense that some of you still have confidence in the coastguard, I demand another show of no confidence."
People: "Too late, he's dead."
Corbyn: "Meh, not my fault. I demanded it be ruled out."
Corbyn: "I've been very clear I do not want this man to drown."
People; "Great, then do something about it."
Corbyn: "I've been very clear I do not want this man to drown."
People: "Dude, he's drowning like right now. Do something."
Corbyn: "I am doing something, I am being very clear that I do not want this man to drown."
People: "Mate, I've got the coastguard on the phone, can you talk to them?"
Corbyn: "I will only talk to them if they rule out this man drowning."
People: "They're trying to stop it happening, just talk to them!"
Corbyn: "Their refusal to rule it out means I have no confidence in the Coastguard."
People: "He's disappearing below the waves, you're holding a lifebelt, just f**king throw it!"
Corbyn: "I've already been very clear I do not want this man to drown."
People: "Then throw the lifebelt!"
Corbyn: "I willabide by the decision of my party but throwing the belt is not off the table."
People: "..."
Corbynites: "Brilliant master strategy again, Jeremy! Playing 8D chess all at the same time. I think we need a Twitterstorm about how great you are!"
People: "..."
Corbyn: "I sense that some of you still have confidence in the coastguard, I demand another show of no confidence."
People: "Too late, he's dead."
Corbyn: "Meh, not my fault. I demanded it be ruled out."
Bold Seagull
strong and stable with me, or...
He's not in no.10, he's not leading the government, his party doesn't have a majority in the house, they are not setting the Brexit agenda, policy etc. But your rage is directed at him, I've not seen any of your posts directed at the real architects of this mess. Could you be any more partisan?
lost in london
Well-known member
Forgot to post this when he said it a few days ago, but David Lammy nailed Brexit for me:
Brexit is a con, a trick, a swindle, a fraud, a deception that will hurt most of those people it promised to help, a dangerous fantasy which will make every problem it claims to solve worse ...
Friends on this side of the House tell me to appease Labour voters in industrial towns - the former miners, the factory workers, those who feel they’ve been left behind. I say we must not patronise them with cowardice, let’s tell them the truth - you were sold a lie.
Immigrants have not taken your jobs, our schools and colleges failed to give you the skills, hospitals are not crumbling because of health tourists but decades of austerity that ground them down to the bone, you cannot afford a house because both parties failed to build, not because of Mohammed down the road who moved in, and wealth was hoarded in London when it should have been shared across the country.
Blame us, blame Westminster, do not blame Brussels for our own country’s mistakes and do not be angry at us for telling you the truth, be angry at the chancers who sold you a lie ...
Just as I speak plainly to the government this time around, let me also speak to the pposition about some home truths. There is no leftwing justification for Brexit.
Ditching workers’ rights, social protections and ending environmental cooperation is not progressive.
This is a project about neo-liberal deregulation, it’s Thatcherism on steroids pushed by her modern-day disciples.
Leaving the EU will not free us from the injustices of global capitalism, it will make us subordinate to Trump’s US.
Socialism confined to one country will not work, whether you like it or not, the world we live in is global, we can only fix the rigged system if we cooperate across border lines.
The party of Keir Hardie has always been international. We must not let down our young supporters by failing to stand with them at the biggest issue of our lives.
Brexit is a con, a trick, a swindle, a fraud, a deception that will hurt most of those people it promised to help, a dangerous fantasy which will make every problem it claims to solve worse ...
Friends on this side of the House tell me to appease Labour voters in industrial towns - the former miners, the factory workers, those who feel they’ve been left behind. I say we must not patronise them with cowardice, let’s tell them the truth - you were sold a lie.
Immigrants have not taken your jobs, our schools and colleges failed to give you the skills, hospitals are not crumbling because of health tourists but decades of austerity that ground them down to the bone, you cannot afford a house because both parties failed to build, not because of Mohammed down the road who moved in, and wealth was hoarded in London when it should have been shared across the country.
Blame us, blame Westminster, do not blame Brussels for our own country’s mistakes and do not be angry at us for telling you the truth, be angry at the chancers who sold you a lie ...
Just as I speak plainly to the government this time around, let me also speak to the pposition about some home truths. There is no leftwing justification for Brexit.
Ditching workers’ rights, social protections and ending environmental cooperation is not progressive.
This is a project about neo-liberal deregulation, it’s Thatcherism on steroids pushed by her modern-day disciples.
Leaving the EU will not free us from the injustices of global capitalism, it will make us subordinate to Trump’s US.
Socialism confined to one country will not work, whether you like it or not, the world we live in is global, we can only fix the rigged system if we cooperate across border lines.
The party of Keir Hardie has always been international. We must not let down our young supporters by failing to stand with them at the biggest issue of our lives.
Bold Seagull
strong and stable with me, or...
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To be fair there are plenty of comments on here against the government already. Some of us aren't sticking up for the government, but are choosing to add balance by looking at the actions of the opposition.