[Politics] Brexit

[Thunder Bolt]

Major protests in France, Belgium and Hungary over the weekend. I feel we are seeing the beginning of the end of the EU.

What were the protests about? Name each cause.

 

[Thunder Bolt]

France - range of issues spanning from far left to far right, but largely due to cost of living.
Belgium - immigration
Hungary - Far right government

None of which are attributed to the EU.

 

[Triggaaar]

There never was a £350M because it was/is not sent. The rebates are deducted before anything is sent, so a lot more than disingenuous.
It was/is downright deceptive.

I know. That's what political parties are like before general elections too.

 

[Thunder Bolt]

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[Simster]

Major protests in France, Belgium and Hungary over the weekend. I feel we are seeing the beginning of the end of the EU.

It is astonishing how many leave voters love saying stuff like this. It has absolutely no basis in reality whatsoever. Protests are nothing new are they?

 

[Triggaaar]

Do you find it mildly disingenuous that politicians who advocate a smaller state and much lower taxation offer the money saved by leaving the EU to the public sector at all ?

I find most politicians disingenuous.

On the subject of the bus, who came up with the idea? Was it one of the campaign workers, someone from marketing? Which politicians actually agreed to the advert on the bus? There's no point singling it out and criticising every leave politician about it when most would have known nothing about it.

 

[Triggaaar]

Unemployment figures are so easy to fiddle. Work 8 hours a week on zero hours contracts? You're not unemployed.
Raab was boastimg about the wage rises this year being the highest in ten years whilst posting a graph which illustrated how much the standard of living has gone down since the Tories took over.

Obviously wages etc fell after the 2008 crash, and it's no surprise that we're still in a worse position than before that crash. No point pretending that's down to the Tories.

 

[Thunder Bolt]

Obviously wages etc fell after the 2008 crash, and it's no surprise that we're still in a worse position than before that crash. No point pretending that's down to the Tories.

And continued falling, then a slight rise, until 2016 when it fell again.

It's the claiming the rise this year is such a great thing, when in real terms, it's not.

 

[portslade seagull]

Really ? That is the hangover from The BANKING CRISIS nothing to do with Brexit.

 

[ManOfSussex]

I find most politicians disingenuous.

On the subject of the bus, who came up with the idea? Was it one of the campaign workers, someone from marketing? Which politicians actually agreed to the advert on the bus? There's no point singling it out and criticising every leave politician about it when most would have known nothing about it.

Campaign workers, someone from marketing? - It was Dominic Cummings, Campaign Director of Vote Leave, aided and abetted by Chief Executive Matthew Elliot - It came from the very top of the official leave campaign.

No point singling every leave politician? Johnson, Gove, Mordaunt, Duncan-Smith, Patel - they all stood in front of the bus at some point during the campaign, but if you want to defend them, that's up to you.

 

[Blue Valkyrie]

Major protests in France, Belgium and Hungary over the weekend. I feel we are seeing the beginning of the end of the EU.

Classic Kremlin Information Warfare talking point pushed out to multiple websites. They are messing with the minds of the UK voters, MPs, ministers etc.


Until this is resolved - shutting down RT, sputnik etc. in the UK and combatting the ripple effect of this rogue information - then we are lost and multiple referendums will only deliver the same result.

 

[Triggaaar]

And continued falling, then a slight rise, until 2016 when it fell again.

It's the claiming the rise this year is such a great thing, when in real terms, it's not.

Outrageous. Whatever next?

 

[Triggaaar]

Campaign workers, someone from marketing? - It was Dominic Cummings, Campaign Director of Vote Leave, aided and abetted by Chief Executive Matthew Elliot - It came from the very top of the official leave campaign.

So it wasn't the politicians that are advocating a smaller state and much lower taxation all then.

No point singling every leave politician? Johnson, Gove, Mordaunt, Duncan-Smith, Patel - they all stood in front of the bus at some point during the campaign

So? If they disagreed with it do you think they were supposed to put their hand up and say?

Since when did politicians from any main party put their hand up just before an election to point out that they don't agree with everything said by their party in an election campaign?

but if you want to defend them, that's up to you.

I don't want to defend them, I don't like any of them, but I'd still like to stick to the facts rather than make stuff up.

 

[beorhthelm]

Obviously wages etc fell after the 2008 crash, and it's no surprise that we're still in a worse position than before that crash. No point pretending that's down to the Tories.

problem is, the claim is flawed and not supported in the diagram. he probably meant wages have risen to highest level in 10 years, the graph clearly shows its not the highest rate of rise.

 

[Two Professors]

Classic Kremlin Information Warfare talking point pushed out to multiple websites. They are messing with the minds of the UK voters, MPs, ministers etc.


Until this is resolved - shutting down RT, sputnik etc. in the UK and combatting the ripple effect of this rogue information - then we are lost and multiple referendums will only deliver the same result.

So are you saying the BBC work for the Kremlin?

 

[Triggaaar]

problem is, the claim is flawed and not supported in the diagram. he probably meant wages have risen to highest level in 10 years, the graph clearly shows its not the highest rate of rise.

Well it's clearly not the highest level in 10 years, it's still lower than in 2011. But I agree that it doesn't seem to show what he's claiming.

 

[Blue Valkyrie]

So are you saying the BBC work for the Kremlin?

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Well spotted.

There is a separate issue of a connection emerging between the BBC and 55 Tufton Street which also needs to be explored.

 

[ManOfSussex]

So it wasn't the politicians that are advocating a smaller state and much lower taxation all then.

So? If they disagreed with it do you think they were supposed to put their hand up and say?

Since when did politicians from any main party put their hand up just before an election to point out that they don't agree with everything said by their party in an election campaign?

I don't want to defend them, I don't like any of them, but I'd still like to stick to the facts rather than make stuff up.

Oh how sweet - another one of your multi quote responses.

At the end of the day, they've associated themselves with something acknowledged by Cummings as a lie, as being crucial to the official leave campaign and winning a large share of it's target vote - see Duncan Smith's 'people from the council estates' comments.

 

[Triggaaar]

Oh how sweet - another one of your multi quote responses.

Really, is that it? I multi-quote so that's it's clear what each of my points are responding to. How is that supposed to be sweet? Do you think that's what little cute children do or something?

 

[WATFORD zero]

So? If they disagreed with it do you think they were supposed to put their hand up and say?

Since when did politicians from any main party put their hand up just before an election to point out that they don't agree with everything said by their party in an election campaign?

I don't want to defend them, I don't like any of them, but I'd still like to stick to the facts rather than make stuff up.

I know you have your reputation to keep up Trig, but honestly

The lie was initiated and written by the marketing people employed and then approved by the vote leave campaign. They all knew it was a lie, and they all endorsed it by having their photos taken standing in front of the lie, printed on a bus. I really can't see how you can say they didn't ?