Lincoln Imp
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- Feb 2, 2009
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According to polls the undemocratic loons now appear to be more numerous than those of the contrary persuasion. Oh the irony.
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[Politics] Brexit
- Thread starter KingstonSeagull
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According to polls the undemocratic loons now appear to be more numerous than those of the contrary persuasion. Oh the irony.
Hampster Gull
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- Dec 22, 2010
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- Jul 10, 2003
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So you're obviously one of these morons who shouts 'no deal' without the faintest concept of what it means
And I don't need anyone to tell me, all this information is freely available in the public domain. Tell me, if it's wrong, what is Russia's position on our quotas
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- Jul 10, 2003
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Maybe get Theresa May to negotiate this new 'no deal' interim deal with the EU. What could possibly go wrong
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Pretty pink fairy
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Pretty pink fairy
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Hampster Gull
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- Dec 22, 2010
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Deep down even you know it’s heading for another vote, one based on substance
- Jul 10, 2003
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And what do you make of the potential problems with your preferred 'no deal' solution and Russia's position on our WTO quotas then Ppf?
As if
I'm only joking, you can go back to chewing your crayons
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Ernest
Stupid IDIOT
Contempt debate tomorrow
Thunder Bolt
Silly old bat
No they aren't.
Baldseagull
Well-known member
I will be clear on my position. This proposal from this Brexit government is a joke, they have taken 30 months to give us a proposal that is for transition only, potentially splits our country and gives the EU by far the best negotiating hand for the real negotiation ahead. This when the public where told it would be the easiest trade deal ever. Clueless. It needs to fail in Parliament and it will fail in Parliament. The legal advice has already been summarised today for all, the full transcript won’t change opinions, MPs know how they are voting.
And it is our legal convention not to make public. I work in business, we get legal advice and as long as certain words are prefixed we can ensure regulators, governments, competitors, cannot get visibility of our legally privileged advice. It’s the same for you and I as individuals. This is our legal system.Do we really want the EU to see our advice?
Perhaps a sensible compromise would be to allow the leaders of the Partys to see the advice, or to hold a secret session of Parliament for it to be heard and discussed.
Hampster Gull
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- Dec 22, 2010
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That does seem a good compromise
beorhthelm
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- Jul 21, 2003
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i have a new theory, once the deal is voted down by the leavers, they will immediatly have a vote of confidence and vote in favour of May. shoots Labours fox. doesnt help brexit, but we can all go off to Christmas without further talk of a general election. possibly she can go back to EU with this position to highlight some amendments must be made or its no deal, and they may take that risk seriously. depend on what amendments asked for, there isnt room for them to back down either. probably the terms of the infernal backstop.
Pavilionaire
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- Jul 7, 2003
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Europe have already said this is the Deal, no amendments.
Da Man Clay
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- Dec 16, 2004
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Which is very easy for them to say at this current junction. It would be absolutely farcical if they suggested they would be happy to negotiate now with May about to take a particularly favourable to the EU deal to parliament. That rehetoric could conceivably change if the deal gets voted down next week and the two options become no deal or get back to the table to see what negotiation options are available. Neither side wants No Deal.
Pavilionaire
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- Jul 7, 2003
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What part of "That's the deal , no more negotiating it" don't you understand? That IS it. The EU are prepared for No Deal, they don't need us. They never did.
pastafarian
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Individuals may have said this but the EU as an institution has not officially closed negotiations. The commission can as a body submit recommendations during the Article 50 period. Its not really over negotiating wise from a EU standpoint until the European Council concludes matters and says it is.
I dont know how much more proof people need of this.
Still hold all the cards etc.
beorhthelm
A. Virgo, Football Genius
- Jul 21, 2003
- 36,014
this is as nonsense as "no deal is better than a bad deal".
in a scenario where we leave with no deal, it's accepted we'd have an impact on our economy. that will have effect on the neighbours, going by the same models that say how much our economy is dependent on trading with EU. this i not "they need us", this is simple observation they would get caught in the economic backdraught of any problems here, recession for us means not importing so much nice stuff. there's also a political situation, to minimise effects and ensure certain European institutions and sectors function, they would probably have to do some last minute, skeleton deal on key areas in their own interests. whatever this "deal" is, it would be presented as a victory for the hardline brexiteers and be seen as a failure of diplomacy by the EU.
i expect them to hold to "no more negotiating" except some adjustment (not wholesale changes) a point or two if its the difference between their deal or no deal.
Garry Nelson's teacher
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Notwithstanding his huge earnings, didn't he put in an expense claim for a cup of tea or something? I watched his performance yesterday. Can't make up my mind whether it was a tour de force or a cheapo Rumpole impersonation.